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1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (1/32)
 2/2/15 7:00pm
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my fuel gauge is significantly inaccurate, where the fuel is nearly empty and it reads about a quarter of a tank. How do you adjust or calibrate the gauge so it reads correctly.
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 2/2/15 9:17pm
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 2/2/15 11:20pm
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Depends...does the gauge show to be accurate up until that point, or is it off all across the board?
If it works until the fuel gets low, I would suspect a bad sender unit. If it is wonky from top to bottom, it could be a bad resistor, or the gauge itself.


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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (4/32)
 2/3/15 2:49am
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Honestly....this was my dad's car befor he handed it down. He told me the gas gauge was off and to refill at 125 miles. Might experience is at 125 miles the car is at 1/4 tank...he is a physicist so maybe his impreaaion is off by a factr greater than the rest of us. Is there a calibrating technique that I should know?
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 2/3/15 12:23pm
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I agree with Joel. I'd bet the sending unit in the tank is kaput. Regardless, you'll have to remove the sending unit from the tank to either test it with a Ohm meter or replace it. There are little brass contact strips that the float arm contact constantly swings up and down as the fuel sloshes around. There could possible be a bad spot the a couple of those brass strips. 

If the sending unit shows good then you'll want to connect the sending unit to the wire harness and have someone in the car to watch the fuel gauge move as you slowly move the float arm through the full range of its travel. 

Did you fuel gauge ever exhibit a rapidly fluctuating needle as you drive?


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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (6/32)
 2/3/15 1:11pm
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Hi Sarge.... When I fill the tank completely it reads full....as I use gas the guage goes down but (according to my dad, I have not ran it put of gas tomprove or disprove the veracity of my physycist/engineer father's description) when the gas gauge hits 1/4 the car is actually on fumes.
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 2/3/15 1:43pm
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It's possible that the bladder inside the tank is deformed, and the float is hanging up on it at about 1/4 tank, if the gauge appears to read properly until it gets to that spot. Don't think you can look down into the tank on a '75-'82 car, like you can the older ones, to see if the float is hanging. Ya may have to just pull the sender out(from the top) as Darryl stated, and have a look-see from there.
Afaik, there are no "calibrations" to be done on the sender/gauge unit...they either work, or they don't. Not sure if the later cars have the resistor on the gauge itself, but those can cause a fluctuating/bouncy reading on the gauge, as well as incorrect readings. At this point, I think I would disconnect the gauge wire AT the sending unit, and ground it. If the gauge goes to EMPTY then, you'll know the problem is with the sender unit/float. If the gauge does NOT go to EMPTY, and stops at 1/4, then your gauge itself is wonky, and will need to be either replaced, or repaired. Thumbs Up

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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (8/32)
 6/11/15 6:53am
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I just rebuilt the sending unit in my '80 with the help of an article from Corvette Enthusiast from October 2006. According to the article, the sending unit should have a smooth 0 to 90 ohms resistance as the float arm moves from empty to full. Might have been the other way around. In any case, you should see my point. Remove the sending unit and measure the resistance as you move the float back and forth. If it jumps or doesn't reach the full range, you should open it up and clean it with some carb cleaner. Check the quality of the contact.

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 6/11/15 9:56am
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hi   sarge81 is right  that's is to only way  to check,many factors are at work   no gas tank that I have worked on is perfect   some will say 1/2 tank when only 1/4 tank,my company built fire trucks we made are own tanks some 50 gals or more,using factory sending units  we bent arms to make some what acurant  1/2 tank does not ment 1/2 tank left  not true  do as sarge81 sezs   than you can replace  this many not change gauge   many factors  remove is the only way   dwaBeer
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 6/11/15 10:46am
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0 ohms is empty.  90 ohms is full.  disconnected it will read over (past) full.
45 ohms should read 1/2.   You can use different resistors if you want to check or try to adjust the sending unit when you have it out.
 
But as Joel said,  ground the signal wire and see if it reads empty.  It already reads full okay.  If it does not read empty, either the gauge is bad, or there is a bad ground connection between the gauge and the tank, providing the power and ground to the gauge are both okay.  But if you ground the signal wire and it reads empty, forget everything from there forward.  It's in the tank, OR you have bad ground connection for the tank unit.
 
Bad connections are not likely in this case due to the fact that they tend to get worse over time, and this one has been consistant for years.
 
Also as Joel stated the bladder in the tank is a common cause for this problem.  When they deform they can cause all kinds of problems.  The bladder is there because it's a sports car.  At one time cars on some race tracks had to have a bladder in case of an accident that punctured the tank, fuel did not leak out.  Our cars were raced in these venues often enought the bladder was a factory item.  If the outer shell of the tank is good the bladder can be removed without a problem.
 
If you are doing this on a newer GM, the reading from full to empty is 30 ohms to 120 ohms.  Still a 90 ohm spread, just a slightly different range.  These cars have a carbon printed resistor in the sending unit instead of a wire wound resistor. 


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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (11/32)
 6/11/15 9:08pm
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Let me see if I have this straight and correct me if I'm wrong. 

'77 and earlier vettes had a bladder that was pliable?? (I've never looked in one)

'78-'82 vettes had a thick hard plastic liner. More like how modern plastic fuel tanks are today. (I've looked in a few of these tanks)

And no... '82 Cross Fire Injected vette tanks do not have a baffle in them for the in-tank fuel pump. This I know for fact. 


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 6/12/15 9:09am
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Sarge81 said: Let me see if I have this straight and correct me if I'm wrong. 

'77 and earlier vettes had a bladder that was pliable?? (I've never looked in one)

'78-'82 vettes had a thick hard plastic liner. More like how modern plastic fuel tanks are today. (I've looked in a few of these tanks)

And no... '82 Cross Fire Injected vette tanks do not have a baffle in them for the in-tank fuel pump. This I know for fact. 


I had wanted to ask someone knowledgeable about this because when I read Knudsen's "Star Spangled Sports Car", he had said in there that the 78-82's had a hard liner and that 77 was the last year of a bladder.  I was confused/surpised because I had always heard that all C3's had a bladder, and I have never had my tank off/out to check.  I guess mine works the opposite since it was my understanding the tanks were 24 gallons, but when mine reads empty the most I have ever put in it is about 18 gallons and I always thought 6 gallons was a lot to have for "reserve".


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 6/12/15 1:09pm
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just thinking  [yits hard]  if car gauge shows 1/4 tank of gas,than fill it up and see how much you put   in   that could tell 1/4  how much fuel you do have   just a thought   dwaBeer
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 6/12/15 1:25pm
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rastafford3164 said:
 I was confused/surprised because I had always heard that all C3's had a bladder, and I have never had my tank off/out to check.  I guess mine works the opposite since it was my understanding the tanks were 24 gallons, but when mine reads empty the most I have ever put in it is about 18 gallons and I always thought 6 gallons was a lot to have for "reserve".


There were NO bladders or liners in the tanks until the '75 model. Earlier cars were nuttin but steel. The tanks are listed as 20 gallon for most years, but the '68-'74 cars have a filler tube extended down into the tank, that will keep you from being able to put any more than 18 gal in them. The '75-'77 cars had a little less fuel capacity due to the bladder taking up space. The '78-'82 cars had different tanks to start with, and I think most of those will hold 20 gal when totally empty...not 100% sure on those.
The '75-'77 bladders can be removed fairly easily thru the filler neck hole, once the neck/sending unit has been removed. The later cars with the less flexible liners can be removed, but not very easily.....usually not worth the effort. Even the rigid type liners can deform over time, and cause problems. Smile


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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (15/32)
 7/19/15 1:03pm
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Hello all. I just bought a 80 vette that needs a lot. First thing to fix is the gas gauge:) then speedo. I've read this post and I'm not sure what to do next. When I disconnect the ground to the sending unit the gauge goes past full. As soon as I reconnect it drops to around a quarter full but nothing else. There is probably 15 gal in the tank and no change. I have a limited budget and a little knowledge(which is dangerous) so I just don't want to throw money at parts wishing it works. I'm looking for any and all advice I can get. Thanks
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 7/19/15 2:06pm
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Use your average mpg and the capacity of the tank.  That should tell you how far you can go on a tank.  Just reset your trip odometer.


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 7/20/15 7:21am
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Unfortunately the speedometer doesn't work either. That is project number two after I get gas gauge working.

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 7/20/15 9:00am
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Ground the wire to the sending unit and see if it reads empty.  If so your 80 either has a bad ground from the sending unit in the tank, or a bad sending unit. if not, it's back up to the dash gauge or a bad connection between the two.

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 7/20/15 5:11pm
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OK ...... it may be Aliens but I have to tell this story..... I have been having a problem with my 1980 fuel gauge for 5-6 years.....
The gauge would not go to full when topped off, went to 3/4 or less. When fuel burned past that, it would read correct and the low fuel light would come on when at that point in the red on the dash gauge. I removed wires as both Joel and Ken have instructed and still did not correct. Spring of 2014 I removed and replaced fuel tank sender, left lots of blood around tank opening for future DNA testing if needed. Still no change.
This spring 2015 I purchased a new fuel gauge and was ready to replace but did not find time before gathering.
OK here is the Aliens part.....We have a local quick stop fuel station that offers non ethanol fuel. I started running that in the vette last month. I filled the car 2 weeks before the gathering and it sat until that trip.
As we are on our way I noticed the gauge is reading full again, during the gathering there was no non ethanol fuel to find..... the gauge would not go all the way to full but very close. I came home close to empty and filled with the non ethanol and its back to the full mark on gauge.......doo doo doo doo......doo doo doo doo.......you explain that one to me......Kyster......Adams Apple........??
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 7/21/15 1:37pm
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Ok. I think the sending unit is bad. Any advice on best price on finding a replacement?
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 7/21/15 10:42pm
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ebo said:We have a local quick stop fuel station that offers non ethanol fuel. I started running that in the vette last month. I filled the car 2 weeks before the gathering and it sat until that trip.
As we are on our way I noticed the gauge is reading full again, during the gathering there was no non ethanol fuel to find..... the gauge would not go all the way to full but very close. I came home close to empty and filled with the non ethanol and its back to the full mark on gauge.......doo doo doo doo
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Ethanol fuel is known to create issues with fuel senders, but since you just changed yours, I'd find it hard to believe it has already caused that problem. Plus...you had the same problem before.
If you still have your "old" sender, plug that thing in(be sure it is grounded to the car/chassis?, turn the key on, and move the float manually, and watch the gauge. See if it will go to full with the float lifted up, and go to empty all the way down.



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 7/21/15 10:58pm
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I checked our Supporting Vendors and Bair's has one listed for $95. He's the cheapest. Make sure you replace the gasket that goes in-between the sending unit and tank. I would also either replace or clean the filter socket (with solvent or carb cleaner) on the end of the pick up tube. 
You can also check out flea bay. They have reproduction units on there.

I'm not sure...but I may have the original one out of my '81 laying around. If I do I'll test it. It worked fine all the way until I removed it. I put a '82 sending unit in because it holds a in tank pump for fuel injection which my car now has. 


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 7/22/15 1:30pm
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Thanks fir the info. Let me know if you have the old one available please
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 7/23/15 5:44am
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 7/23/15 2:05pm
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EBO,  your fuel was partly shorting your sending unit resistor.  Remember, grounded is empty.  When the fuel was below the level, it was no longer shorted.
The odd part is that you had enough ethanol to create that conductivity on the sensor resistor.   Normally that won't happen.   C3s should not have more than 10% ethanol.  I highly suspect the fuel was 15%  or more.   Lucky it did not damage other parts of the system.
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 7/23/15 2:13pm
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You should give Bairs a try for the unit.   They are one of our sponsers.
 
EBO,  Your fuel was partly shorting the sending unit.  Remember, when grounded the gauge reads empty.  When the fuel level dropped, the now dry sending unit resistor worked properly again.
 
What suprises me was that your fuel had enough ethanol to do that.   Our C3s are only designed to handle 10% ethanol.  My guess is you had 15% or more.  (the worst I have seen when the pump said 10 or 12% was over 40%)  You are lucky it did not damage other fuel system components.
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 7/24/15 10:34am
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my80Vette said: Thanks fir the info. Let me know if you have the old one available please

I'll get back to you Monday and let you know if it's still around. I'm at "Ebo's" for the"Eboland" party rest of the week. Big smileParty



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 7/28/15 10:27am
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my80Vette said: Thanks fir the info. Let me know if you have the old one available please

I'll get back to you Monday and let you know if it's still around. I'm at "Ebo's" for the"Eboland" party rest of the week. Big smileParty




Hey Sarge I hope you had a good weekend at Eboland. Where you able to find the old sending unit and if so what do you want for it. Thanks
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 7/28/15 4:59pm
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Ebo, as already stated the percentage of ground is what determines the fuel gauge reading.  Our cars were made to handle up to 10% ethanol.  Many gas station pumps are now 12 to 15%, even if they say 10%.   The feds made this change allowable several years ago.   The GM owners manuals used to say 10% and the Feds required a recall to "correct" the issue.   GM simply did a recall to the owners manual.  They replaced the page with one that said 12%.
 
Different fuel compositions change the fuel conductivity.  There are acutally electronic tools that use resistance to determine ethanol content.   The ethanol is making the fuel sending unit more conductive, increasing the ground path, causing a reading lower than it would be otherwise.  Without the ethanol, the resistance is normal, and the gauge reads properly ( or close to it ).
 
Keep in mind other factors tie into this.  Fuel is custom blended on average every 3 weeks to adapt for changing climate.  This includes temperature, altitude, humidity, and other factors.   So different areas of the country may cause this problem, and others not.  Different times of the year can also have an effect.  AND different units can be affected differently with the same blends.   Quite a odd blend of chemical and mechanical soup.
 
The EPA uses Indolene instead of gasoline to do all emission testing on new cars in controlled conditions to determine emissions and mileage.  This keeps a fair compairison of all vehicles without variations due to different fuels.
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my80Vette said:
Sarge81 said:
my80Vette said: Thanks fir the info. Let me know if you have the old one available please

I'll get back to you Monday and let you know if it's still around. I'm at "Ebo's" for the"Eboland" party rest of the week. Big smileParty




Hey Sarge I hope you had a good weekend at Eboland. Where you able to find the old sending unit and if so what do you want for it. Thanks

Hi Mitch, yup we had a blast at Eboland. Lots of good food, drink and adventures with a couple tech/repair sessions. I finally made it over to the shop today. Unfortunately the sending unit got tossed. Sorry I couldn't help you out. Unhappy



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Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (31/32)
 7/28/15 8:15pm
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Sarge81 said:
my80Vette said:
Sarge81 said:
my80Vette said: Thanks fir the info. Let me know if you have the old one available please

I'll get back to you Monday and let you know if it's still around. I'm at "Ebo's" for the"Eboland" party rest of the week. Big smileParty




Hey Sarge I hope you had a good weekend at Eboland. Where you able to find the old sending unit and if so what do you want for it. Thanks

Hi Mitch, yup we had a blast at Eboland. Lots of good food, drink and adventures with a couple tech/repair sessions. I finally made it over to the shop today. Unfortunately the sending unit got tossed. Sorry I couldn't help you out. Unhappy




Thanks for checking. I think I'm going to try to take it apart and clean it first. If that doesn't work I'll call Bairs.
Re: 1980 Fuel Gauge Calibrating (32/32)
 8/10/15 9:09pm
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Just thought I let people know that Bairs doesn't carry the fuel sending unit anymore. They said they had too many problems with them. I did take mine apart today to try to clean it but that turned out to be just a waste of a couple hours:) I'll be ordering one shortly.
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