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78 Starting issues (1/31)
 5/30/16 8:47pm
buxton161
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New to the Corvette world, so please take it easy on me.

Purchased a 78 Stingray, ran like a champ on the way home.

However, when it sits for a few hours is has trouble starting. Prev. owner stated if it ever gives me any issues starting, to pull out the manual choke on right of steering column.

Seemed to work here and there, but was worse today. Not knowing what to do, I assumed it was the battery and put in a new one. Still gave me an issue ( 4 attempts before it started ).

Guy at shop put a tested on it showing the battery and starter passed diag test.

Not sure what is going on, but still gives me issues starting after it has been sitting for a few hours.

Not sure if I should now have plugs, wires, fuel filter etc. changed now. Just don't want to keep buying this and that if it is not going to make a difference.

Hoping others have seen this and know what is going on with it.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (2/31)
 5/30/16 9:11pm
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By trouble starting are you saying it doesn't turn over or it does but doesn't start?  Need more info.

If you have to use a manual choke, either it doesn't have the original Q-jet or the Q-jet is misadjusted  or needs an overhaul.




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Re: 78 Starting issues (3/31)
 5/30/16 9:21pm
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won't turn over.

Sounds the same as if it were the battery, but if you make a few attempts it will sputter then fire up. 

If you let the gas go it will stall. I have to keep on the gas pedal a bit for a few mins for it to then stay on.

Acts like something could be clogged, or sparkplugs.
( just a guess on my end of course as I don't have the experience with this car at this point. )

Has other minor issues as well:

Speedometer not working

passenger light wont go down on it's own I have to do it manually
dome light
cig lighter

Those issues I think I can research and less important than my starting issue.



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Re: 78 Starting issues (4/31)
 5/30/16 11:02pm
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When my 78 was hot it would have a starter solenoid problem.  Once cooled a little bit it would turn over.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (5/31)
 5/31/16 12:35am
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  You will need to check all of the battery connections to the starter and the grounds.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (6/31)
 5/31/16 8:01am
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RE: battery connections to the starter and the grounds.

Would this be the case after they placed a tester on the battery showing the battery and starter passed? .


When it finally dose start after 4-5 attempts, I need to keep my foot on the gas for a few mins. or it will stall out. Once it gets going, it is USUALLY good for the day.

Only acts up when it has been off for a few overs like overnight.


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Re: 78 Starting issues (7/31)
 5/31/16 10:05am
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before you try anything else for a cold start try putting the gas pedal to floor and then releasing and maybe a 2nd time then try cranking it over !! sounds like a choke problem with the carb but if that doesn't work it might be time to rebuild the carb or make sure choke is adjusted properly

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Re: 78 Starting issues (8/31)
 5/31/16 10:58am
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Turns over just won't fire up. AAA coming over to pick her up and take to Sears auto Hope then know enough to figure it out. When I give it gas via pulling the fuel ( pumping it in ) It attempts to start then right back to just the turning over noise With no results.
Re: 78 Starting issues (9/31)
 5/31/16 12:32pm
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Sure sounds like a choke/carburetor issue to me.....I am not sure that a Sears tech would have the necessary chops to diagnose it. Where are you located?

Re: 78 Starting issues (10/31)
 5/31/16 12:35pm
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Re: 78 Starting issues (11/31)
 5/31/16 12:47pm
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If I were to spray starting fluid in carb if it was a carb issue would it start so I can start ruling some stuff out such as plugs? It is at Sears auto now but to be honest I don't have much faith in Them when it comes to this car.
Re: 78 Starting issues (12/31)
 5/31/16 1:35pm
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sounds like the carb for sure I wouldn't let sears touch it. i would search for someone in your area that knows about carbs !! You can try putting the pedal to floor and leave it there while you crank it (this is usually done when carb is flooded but should work in getting it started it might spudder for a little bit but only crank it for a few seconds. But my guess is defintely carb just sounds like it from what you are saying since once you get it going it's usually good for the day.

also could be that manual choke your talking about which again is part of the carb.

Did the previous owner tell you exactly how to use the manual choke might be worth a phone call to him and ask him how he use to get it started while cold. 


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Re: 78 Starting issues (13/31)
 5/31/16 2:00pm
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On the advise of a friend, they already have it Going to replace the plugs distributor and something else? At $528.00 If that dose not do it I will need to find a Vette guy. Seems to have an electronic choke that last owner over rid And put in a manual one for whatever reason? I will know if they were at all successful in a few hours But I feel today's work will be a waiste of time.
Re: 78 Starting issues (14/31)
 5/31/16 2:21pm
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I suspect you might have just thrown $528 away. Here's what I think is your problem.  Yousay it does not want to start after sitting for several days. What could be happening is the fuel in the float bowl is slowly leaking out and when you go to restart it after several days, the fuel pump needs to refill the bowl. You can check this by removing the air cleaner and pumping the accelerator while looking down the throat of the carburetor. If you do not see it spraying gas, then you know that it's has no fuel in the fuel bowl.  Personally I would get the car back from Sears before they do any of the above-mentioned work that you mentioned.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (15/31)
 5/31/16 2:25pm
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I agree that I most likely just threw over $500. Away, but at least now I know those parts will now Be new at least, So, to your point, if I took starting fluid and sprayed it Down the carb, am I correct to say it should fire up then Until I can find a Vette guy to fix it correctly?
Re: 78 Starting issues (16/31)
 5/31/16 3:52pm
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I agree with 73Shark. Definitely sounds like the float bowl is leaking/emptying and the fuel pump is filling the bowl before any fuel is being introduced to the combustion chamber. It also could be choke issue but certainly sounds like the engine is staving for fuel on initial cranking.
Re: 78 Starting issues (17/31)
 5/31/16 5:16pm
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buxton161 said: I agree that I most likely just threw over $500. Away, but at least now I know those parts will now Be new at least, So, to your point, if I took starting fluid and sprayed it Down the carb, am I correct to say it should fire up then Until I can find a Vette guy to fix it correctly?
 I suppose you could do that but ether is dangerous if the engine backfires and it is very, very flammable.  As you can imagine, Corvettes do not tolerate engine fires very well.

 If your carburetor has an idle vent, it would be easier and safer to refill the bowl with gasoline through that vent.





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Re: 78 Starting issues (18/31)
 5/31/16 7:26pm
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Back from sears,

New plugs, wires distributor and its running, however still hesitates a bit before starting.

The true test will be tomorrow morning after it has been sitting all night.

I do have to find a good vette guy to look at the carb and possibly rebuild it.

Tomorrow will be the true test to see if they fixed something, or just moved something around a bit getting gas into the carb.
Re: 78 Starting issues (19/31)
 5/31/16 8:43pm
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Yep, Just gave me a small issue starting then stalled While in reverse. Had to keep my foot on the gas for a Few to prevent her from stalling. Dam it. Don't know where I am going to find a reliable Vette guy Here in Maine
Re: 78 Starting issues (20/31)
 5/31/16 9:12pm
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there is all the guys right here on this site to walk you through it start with what carb you have then go to u tube and watch a video of it and you will have much better understanding of how things work then all the advice here will make sense to you. Great bunch here



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Re: 78 Starting issues (21/31)
 6/1/16 8:48am
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You just need to find someone who rebuilds carb's shouldn't be hard to find

I don't know how close this place is to you but just google for a carb repair shop in your area

 http://www.mainelymagnetos.com/carbshop.html

Here is one found  Good Luck !!


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Re: 78 Starting issues (22/31)
 6/1/16 8:51am
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just google for a carb repair shop in your area. I don't know how close this place is to you
but I found this shop good luck !!!


  http://www.mainelymagnetos.com/carbshop.html


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Re: 78 Starting issues (23/31)
 6/1/16 10:16pm
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Adding some photos of carb, hope they don't appear To big using my phone. Can someone look them over To tell me what type so I can start searching you tune videos on it, I do know it had the electric choke at one point but for Whatever reason prev owner over rid and added a manual One that tends to stick 

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Re: 78 Starting issues (24/31)
 6/1/16 5:53pm
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Pull that puppy, and get it to someone who can do something with it. looks like it meeds some TLC. Looks like a Carter. Certainly isn't a spread bore. I had a shop in California do mine. When it came back, just bolted it on,and ran like a smooth well oiled clock. Not cheap, but WELL worth the cost and time. one week turn around once he got it. Drilled and bushed both shafts, and rebuilt it. VERY well done.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (25/31)
 6/1/16 11:27pm
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agreed, looks like a carter/edlebrock style carb. while I've never actually rebuilt one, i'm sure some here have, or if you are a little 'tech savy' you can youtube it. no doubt someone has a video of rebuilding one .  Although I personally have had an issue with a carter on my vette, one of the venture started dripping gas flooding the engine out. rather than taking it apart, I replaced the carb with a holley I had laying around...  

This is not necessarily a "vette" issue, as far as the engine is concerned, as long as you can find someone reliable at working on carburetored engines. Would be great if you had a buddy with a spare carb laying around that you could swap out just to see if it works better. Usually just the 4 bolts, a gas line, few vacuum lines and the throttle cable  to take off to get the carb on, and then all back in reverse order.. 



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Re: 78 Starting issues (26/31)
 6/1/16 11:29pm
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Is that choke cable backwards?  Looks like if you pull on the cable, it opens the choke. Question

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Re: 78 Starting issues (27/31)
 6/10/16 12:29pm
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Speaking of solenoids. When it won't start tap the starter solenoid with a hammer or large screwdriver. Then try starting it. My '78 would do the same thing after sitting awhile.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (28/31)
 6/10/16 1:37pm
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If you are thinking the carburetor is the problem, then you may want to verify which carb is on the car. Sometimes engines are changed and carbs are switched. That way when you know what you have to begin with.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (29/31)
 6/11/16 8:55am
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Don"t throw away anymore money!!! like Cinor said there is member that very experienced and can talk you thru everything. They have more experience than your local mechanics. When you hear there is a manual choke and starting problem a BRIGHT light goes off and says you need to start with the carb. The first question is what carb is on the car. Rochester quadrajet or a Holley or edelbrock. Sounds like carb problem and if doesn't have the original carb and it needs to be replaced you could have bought a brand new Edelbrock for less than $300. bolted it on yourself and run a wire to automatic choke. Edelbrock will run right out of the box and only need a minor turn of a screw to fine tune if needed. On the old carbs with new ethanol gas what happens when you park the car the gas evaporates from the heat. Sometimes just after a few hours. If you never had a carb car you have to learn how to start them. If the carb is junk now is a good time to decide if you want to change it over to electronic fuel injection for about $1500.00 and all your starting problems will go away!! Phew that was long winded.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (30/31)
 6/11/16 9:18am
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Sorry folks didn't see page 2. If you can't find a good carb guy in Maine all the NCRS guys use Hobbs Carb 108 pelham Rd. Pelham Nh. 03076. ph: 1-603-635-2415. Top notch. he is hour and half from you.

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Re: 78 Starting issues (31/31)
 6/11/16 11:49pm
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I still think the manual choke is hooked up backwards...

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