I've been in the market for a chrome bumper C3 for a while now.  I found a car at vintagevettes, LLC that had promise.  So I made a few calls into them, got some typical information - confirm matching numbers, discuss condition of the car, the ususal.  The sales manager suggested that he type up the one page contract and fax it to me because "sometimes looking at the numbers on paper can help". I said fine - send it.  Anyway, I sent him an e-mail saying I was going to pass but counter- offerred to pay 94.5% of the asking price.  Certainly not a low-ball, particularly considering the car has been in inventory for 6 months.  Below is the exact response I got from the sales manager. Needless to say, I will not be buying from these guys:

It always amazes me how many aZZholes there are in sales.

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The top sales guys usually aren't in "internet sales". I'd forward his response to the sales manager.

Sounds like he was having a bad day.  If he keeps that up, he won't have a job long. 

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One company I worked for had a policy that email was for data transfer only.  If you needed to send an email for other than data transfer, get up and walk to the person you are wanting to send it to.

This really kept down the incidents of email wars and flamings that are part of the culture.

This idiot doesn't get that you have a voice to everyone here and that he might need to rethink his position of flaming people in the future.

I would definitely mention to his sales manager that since you are a member of the C3VR (explain it in small words so he understands who we are and how big the circulation is) you felt obliged to post this response for all to see.

You may be suprised at the response you get.

I would definitely speak with the owner/Sales manager, and let them know how at least ONE of their sales staff is running business off. You stated you were going to pass on the car, but you did at least make an offer. Seems to me like a sale would be better than nothing, which is what they have now.
Thanx for the heads-up on these guys.

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What a JERK that Sales Manager is.    I would find out who owns that place and send him a copy of the Manager's response.   He needs to be reported, it's just not good business.   Let us know what happens if you report this jerk.

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And by the way, correct his grammar and composition (show the corrections) when you send his response to the manager.  That really pisses people off!

This forum is great - I feel better already. Adam's Apple - I did counter offer with an amount that equated to almost 95% of his list price.  I sure didn't expect that kind of response.  Anyway, I did mention in my response that I would make sure the corvette forums were made aware of the way this was handled.  (If you see a similar string in another forum I apologize in advance). I also called to speak with the owner - no response yet!

Now lets say he turned around and said I cannot go any lower for you on the price, I wish I could, but we just have too much invested.

Oh my dear looky at what ol'Tux found...

Vintage Vettes LLC

Lord almight the floodgates are open now.... Which car was it? Anybody besides me feelin like havin some e-mail fun??? Tuxblacray2007-04-09 14:03:50

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I would definitely keep attempting to contact the owner or general manager. Most of these places have a sales, finance, and general manager each having a different mission. Many of the sales managers are that arrogant but the general manager usually sees the big picture. Someone over there should be made aware of our site and the astronomical number of bad references we can independently give out. I feel sure you wiil get at least an apology.
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i think we should all pick the same car, get the sales dudes name, request him, and start to waste is time on five dollar offers less than the asking price, funny if ya got 100 people emailing on the same car and undercutting each other by 5 bucks. just an evil thought.

I got a call from the owner. I have talked with him once before and he was very helpful and reasonable - he has apologized for his sales manager.  The sales manager apparently thought he had me in the bag and was counting on the sale. I am not sure how he came to that conclusion, but if he genuinely believed it I could understand a little frustration - but not being 1/2 step from being totally postal!!!

There is no excuse for that type of email response from him. His job is to negotiate, not humiliate.
Scott

Boy you hit that on the head about CnV.  Talk about a bunch of renegades!!

So which one of the 71's is it? the SB:

Small Block 4 spd.

Or the BB:

Big Block Auto

Enquiring minds wanna know...


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[QUOTE=1BadLT1]i think we should all pick the same car, get the sales dudes name, request him, and start to waste is time on five dollar offers less than the asking price, funny if ya got 100 people emailing on the same car and undercutting each other by 5 bucks. just an evil thought. [/QUOTE]

Ok, now TUX has me curious.   Which one was it?     We know it's RED....

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[QUOTE=Nopolis] I got a call from the owner. I have talked with him once before and he was very helpful and reasonable - he has apologized for his sales manager. The sales manager apparently thought he had me in the bag and was counting on the sale. I am not sure how he came to that conclusion, but if he genuinely believed it I could understand a little frustration - but not being 1/2 step from being totally postal!!!

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Otay, ya'll...ya'll kin stop pestering th poor guy! Nopolis did talk to da owner, and got an appology from him. Let it go...breath...
And...if ya do happen to e-mail(read SPAM) the place, please don't mention this fine forum...tell them you're with the Corvette Forum, or da CAC...


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Oh No!   I'm sorry Nopolis, please forgive me!  I wish you the BEST on finding your Dream Vette..... greypoupon692007-04-10 19:13:10

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Few things..

I am on the fence on this one. I agree with Kebo's comment above. However, I think a car enthusiat forum IS the approriate place for a member to share a bad experience. One has to be sure to keep his comments factual. Beyond that criteria, I think the initial post was appropriate.

Scott

[QUOTE=ranger3]I am on the fence on this one. I agree with Kebo's comment above. However, I think a car enthusiat forum IS the approriate place for a member to share a bad experience. One has to be sure to keep his comments factual. Beyond that criteria, I think the initial post was appropriate.

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I want to clarify that I was kidding and in no means had any intentions of sending the merchant e-mails concerning their business practices.

I do however believe that by the 5th amendment that myself or any others have the right to speak their piece about the business practice displayed by this fellow. It was not meant to be slanderous but rather was a statement of fact.

All that being said I still want ta know which one o dem dadburn cars all of da fuss was about! Tuxblacray2007-04-10 14:58:30

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In my opinion, asking for a 5% discount from the asking price is very conserative and certainly no reason to warrant such a reply from a salesman. When I bought my 66 from ProTeam, I offered them 15% below their asking price and they came back with a 10% discount.

I agree with Kebo and Ranger. I think the original post was appropiate but disagree as to other members getting involved with emails to the dealer. I think Nopolis took appropiate action by bringing this situation to the owner and that salesman will probably be selling used Hondas in the near future.

Dont get me wrong, the orig post is 100% appropriate.  A 5% disc is well within margins..  Me, I'd call the boss offer 11% under and take 9%...  You never know...