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 5/17/11 12:01pm
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With the 2011 C3VR Member Gathering about to start, I'm sure folks are going to soon be asking: "Where's the 2012 Gathering going to be?!"

According to the Map of Gathering Locations,  we are due back in the East region for 2012.

So I now open the floor to suggestions of East Region locations for the 2012 gathering. (See the Map of Gathering Locations if you don't know what states are in the East Region).

With your nomination, please specify the following:
  1. Location (City & State)
  2. Best time(s) of year to visit
  3. Reasons why you think this would make a good choice for our gathering
Please do not make this thread into a chat thread.  If you are replying to this thread, reply only to answer the above 3 questions.  You CAN, however, reply to agree with a nomination if you would also like to nominate the same location. If you want to Discuss, please use the thread set up for discussion only.

By the end of this summer (Labor Day), a decision will be made as to the location of the 2012 gathering and I'll post it on the forums.

Here is a list of locations suggested so far:

  • Pocono Mountains, PA, ,Pocono raceway...and there's a ton to do up there including the new addition of gambling
  • Hershey, PA
  • Maggie Valley, NC, ,close to the Smokies (lots of great drives!), Blue Ridge Parkway tours, mountain lake tours, Vettes in the Valley (memorial day weekend - 300 to 400 car show), much cooler than Charleston temperature wise, good food, much less traffic than Charleston, no sea salt
  • Gatlinburg, TN, Smokie Mountains
  • Morganton, NC, Rik's Corvettes
  • Charlotte, NC, Henrick Motorsports
  • Charleston, SC, 1st week of June,  Wonderful city & history, Savannah (day trip & river walk crawl), Darlington (maybe), Isle of Palms, excellent food & shopping
  • Orlando FL, Spring,  Disney World & Unversal Studio's
  • Virginia Beach, VAMay or September, Lots to see and do. Norfolk Naval Shipyard, Norfolk Naval Station, Chesapeake Bay, Newport News, seafood, National Wildlife Refuges, Kitty Hawk, scenic coastal drives, just to name a few
  • Williamsburg, VA
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 5/17/11 7:01pm
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How about the Poconos? We could organize something with Pocono raceway...and there's a ton to do up there including the new addition of gambling!!

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 5/17/11 8:08pm
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I like the Hershey location..if possible repeat..if not I do like the Pocono idea..is there a state in which we are looking for or just anywhere in the east coast ..

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Don't have a city or time of year, but I know someone (C2, C5, C6) mentioned South Carolina and it sounded like a good idea.  I've never been there and since we haven't had a gathering there, I thought it would be a good idea for something different

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 5/20/11 4:21pm
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How about a more "southern" East location this time? We wanted to go to Connecticut but it was just too far and too expensive. What about Tennessee, especially around Gatlinburg (I think there was one there before we joined, but it's got great drives) or western North Carolina around the Smokies? What about Alabama or Mississippi?

I agree with hundred_honors, and it's a long trip from Texas to the Eastern seaboard also. And we're in northeast Texas--he's in San Antonio. It's often a hard day's drive just to get out of Texas!
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 Olando Fl...They have Disney World, Unversal Studio's....Time to go spring.

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 5/21/11 10:30am
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The real issue is organization. The two gatherings I have attended, Hot Springs and Bend were well organized and great fun. It takes a lot of time and effort to organize one of these events. The members who organized and put on these two events did a great job. If you can pull off a gathering in the Poconos, that would be cool, a beautiful area. I know I can speak for Norsky when I say we would love to put a gathering togther here in the upper midwest. I know it is not our "turn" but....

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Charleston SC is the suggestion of the week.
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 5/22/11 8:00pm
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There were numerous folks at the 2011 gathering that suggested the Carolinas.

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 5/22/11 11:18pm
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Hmmm maybe I'm missing something, my first time to go to a gathering  it was UpperEast Coast, I know by checking the Forum that say's C3VR Gathering's (with lots of pictures)  that the group goes across the country say West (like Bend Oregon last year thats sort of close to Cali right?) 
This year Mid, Now next year we go back to East.
Easy as 1,2,3.......1,2,3....1,2,3....
I think from  Upstate NY to Mystic, Ct it was 6 plus hours.  Bend was a bit far for me but I loved the pictures. Effingham was 14.5 hour drive for me and WELL worth it.
I do think it's time to go South of the Border, so we can get that group some hometime. I know that will be 14 hour drive for me, I will attend!
Charlston is most beautiful, and a short trip into Savannah for a ghost tour (or crawl) would be cool.
Lets bring som Yankees back down South......where  be all da women at?
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 5/23/11 10:38am
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To conform to the posting rules :
 
Charleston SC
1st week of June
Reasons : Wonderful city & history, Savannah (day trip & river walk crawl), Darlington (maybe), Isle of Palms, excellent food & shopping, Judith can attend !!! 
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 5/23/11 11:38am
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South Carolina (Charleston) sounds great! Also, Maggie Valley, NC was very pretty and close to the Smokies (lots of great drives!)
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 5/23/11 4:23pm
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North Carolina....Lets go to Riks........
 
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 5/23/11 7:02pm
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Carolinas -- great places to see and do...... and there is Riks

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 5/23/11 8:03pm
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S. C. sounds great to me. Been thru the state but have never stayed there. Clint would be the man for area info. I would make that trip for sure. As for time of year, I think Clint should know that as well. Don't mean to put this on your shoulders Clint, but sounds like you're up for it.
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 5/23/11 8:18pm
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So we are looking at something in the Carolina area..not bad..north C is about 9 hours from here..not bad..Riks sounds good..but are they up to it..how about one of the many Nascar racers on 95 in NC?? Hendrick motorsports or so??once again I will need a trailer..and truck..I got a year to round up the truck..the trailer is easy..Florida is nice also..so does this come down to a poll question..how does this get picked?? And E. Who you callin a yankee???

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 5/23/11 8:23pm
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I guess the Carolinas are ok.
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I'm sure it will go to a vote as usual.....Yankee....well it should be anyone North of the Mason Dixon line......

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 5/23/11 9:43pm
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I would certainly vote for somewhere in the Carolinas in the spring & a Nascar related stop be great - even if it is on the way, like the CA stop this time around.  Frank & I will be there!

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 5/24/11 10:18am
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PLEASE, NO NASCAR!

Let's spend the time makin' great curvy drives in the 'Vettes, not trying to stay awake at a circle track until the cars make it back around where you can see them again. WinkLOL  (can you tell we're NHRA Drag Racing fans? Much better to see 6,000 horsepower make a 4 second run every couple of minutes--that shakes your entire body in the stands.) Big smile

We went to Gatlinburg last summer for vacation (sadly, not in one of the 'Vettes though) and made the drives across the Smokies into N. Carolina, didn't make it into S. Carolina though. That's a good location from Texas--spend one night on the road each way. Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up
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Crazy me of all people sayin this but,   please go back and Read Adams post. Then reply as stated with the 3 questions.
Then someone  (Moderator?) start a 2012 gathering chatter thread so we can just go nuts on it. Less than 400 days away !!!
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[QUOTE=ebo]Crazy me of all people sayin this but,   please go back and Read Adams post. Then reply as stated with the 3 questions.
Then someone  (Moderator?) start a 2012 gathering chatter thread so we can just go nuts on it. Less than 400 days away !!!
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ebo?  Is that you telling us to stay on topic?Shocked
 
Your wish is Norsky's command...  well, sorta...  He created this thread last week for the 2012 gathering chatter:
 


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 5/25/11 11:09am
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To again conform to the posting rules, I offer for consideration :
 
Choice #1 :
 
Charleston SC
1st week of June (this may simply be too HOT based on the MAM tans and we should consider April/May)
Reasons : Wonderful city & history, Savannah (day trip & river walk crawl), Isle of Palms (beach), excellent food & shopping, Judith can attend !!! 
 
Choice #2 :
 
Maggie Valley NC
Memorial Day weekend (or another week in May)
Reasons : Blue Ridge Parkway tours, mountain lake tours, Vettes in the Valley (memorial day weekend - 300 to 400 car show), much cooler than Charleston temperature wise, good food, much less traffic than Charleston, no sea salt, Judith can attend !!!    
 
 
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 5/25/11 11:55am
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Maggie Valley is really pretty and a great choice! We were there in June of last year and it wasn't too hot then (the temperature LOL) bondgirl422011-05-25 08:59:21
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[QUOTE=ceastham1]To again conform to the posting rules, I offer for consideration :
 
Choice #1 :
 
Charleston SC
1st week of June (this may simply be too HOT based on the MAM tans and we should consider April/May)
Reasons : Wonderful city & history, Savannah (day trip & river walk crawl), Isle of Palms (beach), excellent food & shopping, Judith can attend !!! 
 
Choice #2 :
 
Maggie Valley NC
Memorial Day weekend (or another week in May)
Reasons : Blue Ridge Parkway tours, mountain lake tours, Vettes in the Valley (memorial day weekend - 300 to 400 car show), much cooler than Charleston temperature wise, good food, much less traffic than Charleston, no sea salt, Judith can attend !!!    
 
 
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#2 sounds nice, but I would not do a car show.
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FOLKS,
If your reply to this thread is NOT a suggestion, (or contain a new suggestion) it will be deleted!
If you want to discuss the 2012 gathering, please use the thread for it:
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This thread has been dormant for nearly two months.  Come on gang, let's get some more suggestions out there...!!! 

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Williamsburg is a great area also

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Regarding the location of the 2012 annual meeting:

          Charleston, South Carolina
 
          Late May or early June.  Perhaps we should stay away from the first week of June since one member stated that was a bad week for them.
 
          The Charleston area is a very nice and scenic lint iocation for our type of meeting.  I assume Clint can come up with some nice road trips.
 
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Norsky said: This thread has been dormant for nearly two months.  Come on gang, let's get some more suggestions out there...!!! 


CORRECTION 4 MONTHS!

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Clint, did you form an itinerary yet? Oh, and make sure you get my Vette ready for me to take home!!!   
 
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Jaws79 said: Clint, did you form an itinerary yet? Oh, and make sure you get my Vette ready for me to take home!!!   
 
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Re: 2012 C3VR Member Gathering Location Ideas (36/39)
 9/10/11 12:42pm
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WHAT?????????????
 
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Re: 2012 C3VR Member Gathering Location Ideas (37/39)
 9/10/11 3:21pm
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chk potential itinerary in the survey poll.

r we there yet ?!?!?
Re: 2012 C3VR Member Gathering Location Ideas (38/39)
 9/16/11 11:45am
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tinbender said:

 Olando Fl...They have Disney World, Unversal Studio's....Time to go spring.

              Rick



Spring is still cool around Orlando...if you think 80 is cool...and that temp happens as early as the March-April timeframe...its just that the humidity hasn't set in yet!!!Wink Deep sea fishing is a possibility if you make it a long weekend. Of course there is Disney, Discovery Cove (where you swim with dolphins), and all the attractions for the kiddies, etc. For adult entertainment you've got the Epcot Center on Disney proper. Its an international setting with beers and foods from around the world. Spring break-pre-season for MLB is here as well with teams in Tampa, Viera, Sarasota, etc. On any given weekend you could even attend a car show...52 weekends out of the year...just look in the local area for Kelly's Cruise News. Like space stuff? The Kennedy Space Center (where I work) still has plenty to share in the way of museums, etc. So, just to name a few things to do while you're here is the intent.  

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 9/16/11 12:02pm
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Adam:
 
I'm a road racer and would also really prefer some nice, curvy drives we can negotiate smartly (ask Norsky about Missoula Montana to Coeur d' Lane Idaho last summer Thumbs Up). Although 4 seconds and 6,000 HP can be heart stopping, drag racing is IMHO rather dull and boring. I would much rather see if we could arrange a little time on the road racing track in Savannah.
 
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