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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (9/19)
 12/5/16 9:18pm
PeterC
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I know squat about this stuff, but that's my body guys attitude as well; dig out the filler completely and replace with a fiberglass for a permanent fix. There are a few other less than ideal aspects of the factory body work to fix; there is a significant gap between the body and the rear bumper, it's always been there.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as a long term facelift for C3's, but I gunna try. I've bonded with the car ;-), I'm willing to pay the bucks to not have to think about body work again for a very long time.

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (10/19)
 12/5/16 10:53pm
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 I have heard that the permanent fix is to break the bonding strips loose on the backside of the seams and redo all of the body panel joints.

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (11/19)
 12/5/16 11:17pm
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If your body man has never seen that on a Corvette, he's not very knowledgeable about Corvettes. Those are the factory bonding strips, and yes, they will eventually always show thru the paint. The panels are glued together with an epoxy, then filed/sanded down, and a thin layer of filler applied to smooth the seams out. IMHO, it's best to leave the seams as they are, and use a fiberglass compatible filler to fill in any low spots.
MANY new Corvettes were touched up at the factory before shipping, and many more were touched up at the dealership before delivery. At one time, there was a certain place on the assembly line that just about every stinkin one of the cars were being damaged as the line took a u-turn, and all of those cars had to be repaired.
These cars were never intended to be on the road after this many years....never meant to be "show cars" 20 years down the road....they were only meant to look good for a few years. GM's expectation was that you would replace the car with a new one every 2-3 years. Thumbs Up

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (12/19)
 12/6/16 9:20am
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It is hard to find body men and mechanics to work on corvettes. What state and town do you live in? If we have that info maybe somebody from the corvette forums can recommend someone. You said you don't mind paying but you want to do it once! Look for a classic car restoration or even better a corvette restoration company. The car is all ready stripped that is huge step and will lower the cost of restoration!
THis is a great forum and you will have lots of help with info!!

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (13/19)
 12/6/16 10:53pm
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I'm in the middle of BC, western Canada, on the 49th parallel.  Can you here the accent in my typing? :-)

The other body company in my small town worked on an early C3 and would not touch another one, for any money...
My body guy has worked on a 69 Corvette, the 81 is apparently different in that it uses SMC or sheet molded compound - fiber glass reinforced plastic... right? So the feedback y'all offered on the seems was very helpful.

The factory body work on this vehicle is less than stellar, waves, gaps and the seems were visible because of aggressive sanding and inadequate seem smoothing. The rear panels have no epoxy primer between the filler and the seem which he says caused problems in the finish later on. He recommends bringing the seems up to modern standards by removing the old filler and using SMC compatible filler to eliminate the potential for cracks forming. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/filler_removal.jpg
http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/filler_removal2.jpg

Joel the filler is quite thick... is this normal?

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (14/19)
 12/6/16 11:47pm
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The amount of filler needed depended on how well the panels were bonded...as in how much "glue" was used. Also, the panels were set up in jigs, so they could at least attempt to make them as uniform as possible, but the panels themselves were not all that uniform, so one may have had more gap than the next one off the pallet. No two cars were ever the same, since this was pretty much done by hand. If what you are showing in those pics is actually "bondo"(plastic filler), then it does look to be kinda thickly applied....at least in that one spot, anyway. Is it "normal"? I don't think so, but, as I said, it all depended on the fit of the panels, and how much the operator had to drink the night before....or at lunch....LOL

Once the Bowling Green factory started up, the process may have changed. 

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (15/19)
 12/6/16 11:58pm
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Well I'll continue taking pics and share.
This will cost more than anticipated... what a surprise. But it's worth it as this vette is in great shape otherwise.


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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (16/19)
 12/8/16 10:41pm
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The filler thickness is going to be as thick as the body panel as it has to fill the gap back to the bonding strip.

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (17/19)
 12/10/16 8:04pm
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Body work is proceeding well. All the non-structural and poorly applied factory filler has been ground out and replaced with Kevlar reinforced and SMC compatible filler. Cloth was overlaid with a SMC compatible resin, sanded, filled and sanded again. The joints should now be stronger than the body panels!

http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/Filler_resin.JPG

http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/carved_out_filler.jpg

http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/SMC_filler.jpg

http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/cloth_and_SMC_resin.jpg
http://www.ceravolo.com/miscimages/filler.JPG

 




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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (18/19)
 12/11/16 2:30am
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What, if anything, did they do to keep the dust out of the dash and instruments?

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Re: Use of autobody filler - paint defects (19/19)
 12/11/16 4:05am
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He's doing the best he can. But it will be a job to clean the cabin as I can see dust getting in there. It is however the lesser of all evils...

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