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Brake Question 1978 Vette (1/10)
 10/5/13 5:44pm
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Hey guys,

My friend has a 78 that I am trying to help him with. The master cylinder rear reservoir is losing brake fluid. We filled the reservoir and operated the brake pedal. Pedal is soft until 3/4 travel, then gets firm. I was under the car and can't find a leak anywhere. All four calipers are dry. Car is in clean garage and not one drop on the garage floor. After operating the brake pedal for a while, I checked the master cylinder again and the rear reservoir had dropped about 3/8 inch. The only trace of fluid I see is around the master cylinder lid, yet it clamps down firmly. Does anyone have any helpful hints. Thanks in advance.

Scott
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Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (2/10)
 10/5/13 6:04pm
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It could be getting sucked into the brake booster due to an internal problem.  I don't think that's too common but it's not unknown by any means.

You could also have a caliper sucking air rather than leaking fluid.  I had that happen to me with the '78 I used to own.
Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (3/10)
 10/5/13 6:13pm
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Does the lid have the gasket in place and good condition here is the line routing to follow and look for any fluid. have you checked the rear pads to see if any fluid is present on them?
 
Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (4/10)
 10/5/13 6:28pm
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Thanks for the responses so far. I have not pulled any pads or calipers. Just investigating for obvious leaks. Bone dry everywhere I can see. The rear redervoir of the master cylinder was dry when I pulled the cover the first time. We topped it off and operated the brakes. hoping to find an obvious leak. But no leaks found so far.

Scott
Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (5/10)
 10/5/13 7:11pm
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Have you loosened the master cylinder to see if its leaking out the back into the power booster. You dont have to disconnect any lines just loosen the cylinder and pull it forward. Many times they will leak back there. If the cylinder is loosing fluid it has to have a leak somewhere in the system. Rodney

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Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (6/10)
 10/5/13 7:18pm
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Rodney,
It is definitely losing fluid from only the rear reservoir in the master cylinder. The forward reservoir stays full. No drops under the car or on the calipers. No fluid anywhere on the booster. I have not loosened the master cylinder from the booster.

Scott
Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (7/10)
 10/6/13 12:15pm
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It is leaking somewhere....best guess, if you cannot see anything external(calipers, lines, etc), is the master itself, as has been mentioned. Take the two nuts loose that hold the master to the booster, and pull it out a little. If fluid runs out, or it is obviously wet in between the booster and master, you've found the leak. The master will need repair/replacement. Depending on how much fluid made it into the booster, it may also need to be replaced.

When you found the rear of the master dry/empty, and added fluid, then pumped the pedal, the level lowered because it was filling in the empty areas of the master and lines that had air. If the level went low that quick with a leak, you would certainly have seen where the leak is.

In some cases, the piston seals in calipers can leak, and not show moisture, if the dust seals on the pistons are in good shape..the dust seals will hold the fluid in..until they get so full they pop, and fluid runs everywhere. 
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Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (8/10)
 10/6/13 12:35pm
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Joel is right on . My master went dry , rear section only. NO leaks anywhere. After replacing master and finishing up replacing on rear caliper and the E brake. It was time for bleeding , gravity bled and vacuum bled . Iwanted a final bleed , with some one stepping on brake pedal . Afterward I noticed a leak. One of the rear calipers was dripping. The dust shield hand held in the leaking fluid around the piston. WHen my assistant gear head ( my 8 yr old grandson) stomped on the pedal it finalycausedthe dust shield to release its contents . So carefully check the rear calipers, my 2cents Big Al

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Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (9/10)
 10/7/13 9:30am
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Joel and Al,
 
Thanks for the repilies. I will relay the information and maybe help him loosen the MC to check there. I was wondering if the dust boots on the rear calipers would conceal a leak. SOunds like the answer is "possibly". He is looking to sell the car so we want to, at a minimum, determine where the fluid is going. Thanks so much for your help.
 
Scott
Re: Brake Question 1978 Vette (10/10)
 10/21/13 5:54pm
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You haven't said if this probelm continues or just happened the one time.
If you just noticed this once, it is likely the lines, etc.,  were nearly empty and all that happened was that you filled them.
If it continues, then of course you have a leak somewhere.
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