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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (10/20)
 5/16/16 3:24am
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Gunslinger said: Once you've determined the battery is good, disconnect the negative battery cable and run a test light between the negative post and the cable end.  The test light should illuminate.  Then remove one fuse at a time until the light goes out.  When that happens you've isolated the circuit the battery drain originates from.  Then you can determine what part of the circuit the problem lies.

If your car has the courtesy light timer, it's very common for those to go bad from age and either fail to turn the courtesy lights off or come on at odd times and drain the battery.

You could also have a bad diode in the alternator which makes for a constant drain on the battery.

No courtesy light timer on mine.  It is possible the interior lights were on all night, but it's unlikely.  It's parked in our garage right now where I see it all the time at night versus my shop where it usually lives.  But possible.  Doesn't take much for a door switch to fail and go to ground which turns on the lights.  Alternator is definitely a possibility too.  It's a reman that I bet is more than 10 years old.  Or the alarm relay.  Or something else.  Or it could just be the battery with no drain.  I'll be looking into it later this week.  Thanks for the suggestions.  



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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (11/20)
 5/16/16 1:18pm
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Dave, I had a '77 in the shop years ago that had a battery drain issue that eventually turned out to be the courtesy light switch on the passenger side. Had a hard time finding it because the car only had ONE interior light that worked to begin with. Turns out someone had replaced the switch with the wrong one(too short), and it was keeping the light circuit on all the time. Sometimes a door left partially open with a so-so switch will do the same thing.
I'd still start with having the battery tested, then the alternator, and then go from there. Wink

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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (12/20)
 5/18/16 1:50pm
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For anyone that is interested, here is a pretty decent article on Testing for parasitic battery drains... Thumbs Up


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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (13/20)
 5/19/16 2:15pm
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My parasitic drain turned out to be my center glove box light.  The lid wasn't pushing the plunger far enough.  I discovered that on a dark winter afternoon.  I could see light coming out around the edges of the lid.  Did a bubba fix on it and all is good.  Also have a disconnect of the battery itself.

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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (14/20)
 5/19/16 2:59pm
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 5/19/16 8:25pm
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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (16/20)
 5/20/16 12:13am
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If the battery was drawn down to 2 volts then there was a drain of some sort.... however, if it charges up to 11.5 volts then there is a cell that has gone bad.  Each cell provides about 2.2 volts .  Costco batteries are usually the heaviest batteries that Interstate carries. Though I don't advocate using the heaviest battery available, at least in our cars(C3's) the battery is not located in the engine compartment, so heat is not a factor in the life of these batteries.  I have seen Costco bad batteries in the pile that were not very old.  As the boss usually says about some of our batteries "Two pounds of 'stuff' in a one pound bag".   Otherwords, the higher output batteries have more plates in them to obtain higher cranking amps, which is ok given that its not in the engine compartment, otherwise the heat from the engine would severely shorten the life of the battery. 

have the battery checked then go from there to find a drain.... :)



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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (17/20)
 5/23/16 12:13am
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Thanks everyone, but after some checking today I don't think there's a drain.  Or if there is, it's intermittent.  

I got it tested last week at Autozone, tested bad, went to Costco and they exchanged it no problem.  Did some diagnosis today with the new batt.  Dropped it in and hooked up the positive side.  Got inside, made sure both doors were closed and did some current draw measurements with my multimeter between the negative post and ground.  

Doors closed but courtesy/clock/lighter fuse installed: 19 mA.
Courtesy/clock/lighter fuse removed: 8 mA.  
Just for fun, I ran the test with the fuse re-installed and just the one small light on in the center compartment: 220 mA.  

Then, I started the engine and tested voltage at the alternator: 14-15 volts.  (I had to use my analog meter - I think I might have blown the fuse in my digital meter during one of my earlier attempts to measure current.)  Voltage didn't change when fast idle came down to normal idle.  

These numbers tell me a few things.  1) my quartz conversion, working clock draws about 11 mA.  2) my "unaccounted for" draw is 8 mA.  3) One small light that I would expect would take several days or a week to draw down a good battery is 200 mA.  

I'm thinking 19 mA is not enough to drain a good battery except in maybe a very long time?  And I'm not too worried about the 8 mA of unaccounted draw - or should I be?  And looks like my alternator is doing fine?  Maybe I did just get yet another bad Costco battery?  




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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (18/20)
 5/23/16 9:21am
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stingrayjim jr said:

If the battery was drawn down to 2 volts then there was a drain of some sort.... however, if it charges up to 11.5 volts then there is a cell that has gone bad.  Each cell provides about 2.2 volts .  Costco batteries are usually the heaviest batteries that Interstate carries. Though I don't advocate using the heaviest battery available, at least in our cars(C3's) the battery is not located in the engine compartment, so heat is not a factor in the life of these batteries.  I have seen Costco bad batteries in the pile that were not very old.  As the boss usually says about some of our batteries "Two pounds of 'stuff' in a one pound bag".   Otherwords, the higher output batteries have more plates in them to obtain higher cranking amps, which is ok given that its not in the engine compartment, otherwise the heat from the engine would severely shorten the life of the battery. 

have the battery checked then go from there to find a drain.... :)



Thanks for the additional info, Jim.  That 2 volts may have been wrong, but I'm not sure.  My voltmeter may have been acting up.  It did definitely come up to full charge, though.  When I was exchanging it, Costco asked if it was a "bad cell" and I did just say yes.  So is there something about that battery that would not work well with our cars?  It's a group 78, CCA 800, CA at 32 degrees is 1000.  

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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (19/20)
 5/27/16 2:19pm
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i went through 3 battery is three years.  Each died almost to the day a year later.  Always a bad cell.  All through Advance Auto/ Western Auto.  Last battery I got has now lasted, knock on wood, 7 years.  All were high quality, so I thought High dollar batteries.  Found out there was a manufacturing flaw according to the sales guy that they were replacing a large number of batteries.  They tried charging me for the prorated deal but managed to persuade them not to

Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain? (20/20)
 5/28/16 11:00am
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My drain turned out to be the alternator.  Posssibly a blown diode allowing reverse current flow.
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