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Battery drain on 82 (1/9)
 2/28/11 12:21am
Shawnee2
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I seem to have a battery drain that will kill the battery voltage in a week or less.  This is what I have found so far:
With an amp meter connected in serial to the neg battery side I am see a draw of 0.9 amps with the switch turned off.  If I pull all the fuses, I am still getting a draw of 0.6 amps.  There is a  20a fuse in the orange wire ( I don't see this in the wiring diagrams ) that runs from the junction box at the positive side of the battery to the oil sender and FP relay.  When this fuse is pulled (with all the others removed as well), I am down to 0.13 amps.  With this 20a fuse pulled, I get 12v on the battery side of the connection (which is right) but I am getting 2v on the other side.  I think this should be at zero.
 
I currently have the gauge cluster as well as the center console removed so these should not have any connections to anything.  I have pulled the bulbs on the floor and overhead courtesy lights so these should be off as well.  Glove box  light is disconnnected.  I can see a slight current draw change when I install and remove the courtesy and gauge fuses.
 
I was having trouble with the courtesy light staying on before so that is why I pulled all the bulbs.  I have pulled and replaced the dash and when I started to reinstall, I was getting signals to all the gauges but was not getting any lights to them or the speedo cluster.  Not sure whether I had these before or not.
 
Think I have everything covered but probably missing something.  Any help would be appreciated.
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Battery drain on 82 (2/9)
 2/28/11 7:31am
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You did a good job narrowing down the problem..the one wire with the 20 amp fuse in it where when removed went to .13 volts is the circuit you want to play with the most...9 to .6 is the other drop to play with also..the wire that has 2 volts on it sounds like you are doing a voltage drop..which if it is 2 volts and not 2 milivolts you got a problem there..bad ground there..or the wire is shot..I am assuming you found the 2 volts by using a DVOM with a wire hooked to ground and the other touching the wire..ok..    Sounds like an alarm or something like that is staying on or activated..or even a fuel pump prime..not sure what that circuit goes to as it may have other stuff hooked to it besides the pump and oil gauge..are the door switches removed? This is going to be a fun one..

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Battery drain on 82 (3/9)
 2/28/11 9:07am
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I believe the in-line fuse is also powering your ECM in addition to the FP relay.
Battery drain on 82 (4/9)
 2/28/11 9:16am
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The courtesy light timer module is prone to failure, and can cause a small draw like this. Getting voltage on the "other" side of the orange wire with the fuse out could mean there is a slight back-feed of voltage from somewhere. Make sure the headlight switch is turned so that the courtesy lights are not "On" all the time while you're doing these tests....assuming the headlight switch is still connected.

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Battery drain on 82 (5/9)
 2/28/11 8:12pm
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From what I saw on the wiring diagrams, the orange wire runs from the junction box at the battery to the FP relay, oil pressure sender and connector C451 on the ECM.  I disconnected the FP relay and OP sender but did not disconnect the ECM.  The voltage at the fuse is measured using a DVM with one lead attached to the negative terminal on the battery and the other attached to the outbound lead of the fuse holder.  I get about 2 volts on this wire with everything disconnected (except the ECM connector) and the fuse pulled.  I can pull the wire going to the ECM and it should go to zero, right?  Should I be seeing this voltage?
 
Should I disconnect the courtesy timer relay or would this still cause an issue with all the fuses pulled.  The headlight switch is still connected so would it be better to turn this on instead?
 
Any other ideas I can try tomorrow evening?
Battery drain on 82 (6/9)
 3/5/11 10:10pm
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Messed around a little more today.  If I disconnect the ECM and ESC connections, I of course loose the voltage but as well loose the amp draw.  Plugging them back in, with the OP and FP relay plug last, my problem comes back.  Amp draw goes to about 0.14 amps.  This seems about right doesn't it?  I still have all the fuses pulled.

Is my ECM going bad?  Hope someone has some suggestions as to how to proceed.
 
JD
 
Battery drain on 82 (7/9)
 3/5/11 10:23pm
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If I remember correctly, the ECM is pulling current all the time!!  Remember that it monitores 13 different functions.  I am niot sure how to check the ECM but I have a friend who designed that peice and I will ask him!!!  I, of course, have the ECM and PROM on my 81 !!
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Battery drain on 82 (8/9)
 3/6/11 6:11pm
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Battery drain on 82 (9/9)
 3/6/11 6:47pm
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The saga continues.  Figured out today that I have power on a wire that should not.  The orange wire that goes from the hood louvre WOT solenoid relay to th ECM has 12+v even when it is not connected to the relay or ECM.  Pulled all the connections off the ECM and found power on the orange wire connector c452.  This should not have any power at all.  Power is feeding back through the ECM to give me the 2 volts on the back side of my fuse.  Disconnected C455 which is under the e-brake pad and lose the power at the ECM but still have it on orange wire at the relay and outbound side of the connector.  This wire goes into the main bundle that connects to the back side of the fuse box.
 
Solution (not the best but a start):  cut the orange wire near the ecm and no more problems.  Zero voltage on the outbound side of my fuse when pulled.  Started reinstalling everything I disconnected and installed all the fuses.  230mA draw on battery, installed courtesy timer and still only 260mA with door open (I do not have any bulbs installed yet).
 
Now my question is will this impact anything if I leave this wire cut.  I do not have the hood louvre soleniod installed anymore so I should not need the relay.  I'll seal the ends of the wire once I determine that the battery is not going to drain anymore by letting it sit until next weekend. 
I can also try the service bulletin instructions then as well. 
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