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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (1/13)
 2/10/11 12:45pm
kwoody
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Hello all,

Just wondering if the driver's seat has to be removed to get the ECM out?
I'm getting that high idle intermittently now.  Some days it is just fine. 
I have observed the failure with the air cleaner off and the linkage is not binding and I'm not really buying the leaking bushings on the Throttle bodies. There is free movement and when sprayed with starter spray no change in idle.  I know it is a common problem with 82s but, do not think it is my main problem.  I am happy with the vacuum system.  I have checked the wiring to the O2 sensor and tried several with the same code 13.  So, I want to look into the ECM for connections and wiring.  It is intermittent.  A vacuum leak would not be.  A crack or solder joint failure on the PC board could do this kind of thing.  I think anyway.  Since it cooled off from the summer temps, I have had a string of days that it runs correctly.  Starts at 1200 rpm then slowly (a couple of minutes) drops to 700-800 rpm. Past few days the start is up to 1500-2000 rpm and stays there.  I'm thinking the ECM is worth a look. 
Thanks
Keith


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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (2/13)
 2/10/11 3:31pm
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The ECM is located in the battery compartment and is a PITA to get to.  Remove the battery and then poke your head into the compartment and you will see the ECM bolted to the  bulkhead directly behind the drivers seat.  I used a mirror to locate the 4 screws holding the ECM to the bracket.  I think the screws are 10mm and they are difficult to get to but possible.  Removing the drivers seat may make it easier for you to kneel on the floor with your head poking down into the battery compartment but it AIN'T GOING TO BE EASY OR COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY.  There are 2 large connectors which plug into the side of the ECM closest to center of the car.  The connectors have lock catches on them so study the way they connect before pulling too hard to get them off.  I'm at work now and don't have access to my pics but if you need pics I think I have some on my home machine from when I had mine out. 

ECM Removal High Idle 82 (3/13)
 2/10/11 4:00pm
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Wow, Chip, Keith i thought the ECM was behind the glove box? I ordered a new performance chip is that the same unit?

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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (4/13)
 2/10/11 5:01pm
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Hey Chip and Kenton,

The performance chip is most likely an EPROM IC. It would go in the ECM replacing the original IC.  I can see the ECM.  It does look a bit like a contortion to get it out. I'll try with the seat in first.   Thanks Chip.

I've been working too much on the garage and not enough on my baby. Ha


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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (5/13)
 2/10/11 7:46pm
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Yep, the chip is in the ECM under a removable metal plate.  It should be recessed in a plastic cradle and plugged into the chip socket on the circuit board.  When you install the performance chip you will use the "cradle" to help pull the original chip out of the circuit board.  The new chip is then placed in the cradle and pushed back very carefully into the chip socket, the cradle acts as a guide to reinserting the chip.
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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (6/13)
 2/11/11 12:45am
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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (7/13)
 2/11/11 12:51am
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Hope this info helps Found Somewhere

CODE 13

Trouble Code 13 indicates that the exhaust stream oxygen content sensor (O2 sensor) is not responding as expected. When cold, the sensor is 'biased' by the ECM to about 450 millivolts. Before it warms to at least 600 deg F (315 deg C) it acts as an open circuit and when the ECM reads it, it reads the 450 mV bias. The ECM expects the sensor to warm in a short period of time and begin sending its own voltages.

The conditions for setting this code are:

Engine running at least 40 seconds and

No code 21 or 22 (TPS errors) present, and

Coolant temperature is at least 118 deg F (48 deg C), and

O2 sensor voltage not fluctuating (i.e. steady between 350 and 557 mV), and

TPS signal indicates above idle (over 6%), and

All the above conditions met for more than 8 seconds

Typical causes for this code include:

1) Defective or degraded O2 sensor

2) Deposit contaminated O2 sensor (running leaded fuel, RTV silicone deposits etc.)

3) Corroded/defective O2 sensor connection

4) Defective sensor ground circuit

5) Defective connection at ECM

6) Defective ECM

ECM Removal High Idle 82 (8/13)
 2/11/11 1:15pm
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Robert, thanks for the pic.! It sure will come in handy when I finally get the chip!

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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (9/13)
 2/11/11 1:56pm
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When you replace the chip be certain that you do not put in in the wrong way.  The entire ECM will be damaged if you do.

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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (10/13)
 2/11/11 4:12pm
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You CFI and ECM guys take a look at this info I found surfing
 
ECM Removal High Idle 82 (11/13)
 2/11/11 7:52pm
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That's a really spot-on page, Bob! Thanks for the link. Too bad the link to the larger pics of the wiring diagrams is no longer working...
Good stuff!


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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (12/13)
 2/11/11 8:25pm
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Excellemt pictures Bob!!  You da Man!!!
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ECM Removal High Idle 82 (13/13)
 2/12/11 11:50am
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Thanks Chip for the guidance.  I think it is really worth the effort to clean the connectors and sockets.  In a round a bout way, I've learned a lot about how the CFI works.  

[QUOTE=rraider1]You CFI and ECM guys take a look at this info I found surfing
 
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Thanks Bob R for the info...  I have found all that information in different places but, this is a great all in one source.  If I can get to the dump, shop and do a dozen more things first, maybe I can get to use the new garage to work on my baby....  I have to put up the C3VR calendar first!

Keith


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