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Gauges (1/9)
 6/25/15 2:42pm
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So here's the deal.  Newer engine with distributor.  Tach gauge is an on again off again kind of thing. Probably the capacitor(?).  I want to get the Speedometer calibrated from 85(was that a joke) to 140. Question is do I scrap the idea of getting the tach and or capacitor replaced and the speedometer recalibrated in favor of all new, good quality gauges?

Wondering if cost is close?  Sure I could google it but that wouldn't give me the good gauges and crap ones.


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Re: Gauges (2/9)
 6/25/15 3:04pm
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All depends on what apperance you want.  Factory, or Aftermarket.
You may bypass the condenser, capacitor, for testing purposes.  If the tach works, replace the condenser.  If not, you may have a bad tach, and need to take the dash out.   Either way use a handheld or portable tach and connect it to the system in a step by step testing pattern.  You will be able to tell where you have a tach signal and where you don't.
If you don't have a portable tach, but do have a meter that shows duty cycle, that will work just as well.  You won't know the engine speed, but you will know if the signal is there or not.
Re: Gauges (3/9)
 6/25/15 3:12pm
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Could be a tach filter problem.


Here's a Google search for "1981 Corvette 140 mph speedometer" that took me all of about 60 seconds.


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Re: Gauges (4/9)
 6/25/15 3:29pm
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Sarge, there is a guy in FL that rebuilds speedometers, I forget his name, he gave me a quote for $170 and he has a great reputation.  If I have to replace my tach I was thinking of going with new the whole way around.  I guess if it's just a filter replacement I'll replace that and have the speedometer recalibrated.

I don't care if this car looks original. 

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Re: Gauges (5/9)
 10/20/15 8:40pm
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So my speedo and tach aren't working. I've spun both of the speedo cables and the make the speedo work. I've replaced the speedo gear in the transmission and still nothing. It was suggested to me that it might be the circuit board since both aren't working. Any opinions out there? I really don't want to throw money at it if I can avoid the😁 Thanks for any advice.
Re: Gauges (6/9)
 10/21/15 9:11am
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for your consideration concerning tach troubleshooting and when, if and with what to replace, calibrate fix..Jim
1. The tach circuit board is the most likely problem why the tach is not working, or working correctly, but not always. On 1975-76 Corvette tach the printed circuit board usually show a burned spot, actually melts the thin copper wire and the problem is obvious. 
2. Checks to do to see if the tachometer is working for 1975 to 1982 Corvettes, or if 12 volts or ground are missing, or the signal from the distributor is missing. The tach needle usually stays about 1000 to 1500 RPMs ,when the vehicle is off, this is normal .Turn the key to the on position engine not running, the needle should go to zero. If the needle goes to zero this indicates the tach is working and 12 volts and ground are present. If the needle does not move,either the circuit board is bad or 12 volts or ground are missing to the tach. Remove the tach from the dash and apply 12 volts and ground, tach should go to zero if working. Now , start the engine, if the tach does not move off zero, the signal from the distributor is missing, the likely problem is the tach filter, follow the wire from the distributor cap, can't miss it, about the size of your thumb. Use a wire and bypass the tach filter all together.( Disconnect both ends completely.) If the tach works now ,that your problem.The Tach filter also, if not working correctly makes the tach work erratically, jumps around, etc. bypass if you think it's bad. On a lot of 1978 to 82 Corvette the problem is the tach is reading to high, 1000 to 2000 or more to high, Circuit board is bad, need a new board. Also on 1978-82, sometimes the needle pegs past 7000 RPMs, it stay there because it can't get back to zero because it's bottoming out .You need to move it back to zero by hand, take the lens off. If it pegs to the bottom out again eitheron the zero side or 7000 side, then the board is bad. 
3.All these instructions assume we are dealing with a factory tach and wiring etc, that has not been messed with or replaced, etc. Note, if the needle is removed for any reason, you just can't put it back on at any place and expect it to read right.(IT's not like Speedometers, also Speedo and Tach needles are different ). To rezero the needle 12 volts and ground must be applied to the tach, then the needle must be set on so it reads zero. Also re zeroing is not calibration, also switching circuit boards, 1978-79 only, 1980-82 only. 1980 to 82 tachs have a hole for the choke light, 1978-79 don't have this hole.1978-79 tachs Calibrate differently from 1980 to 82. Another problem in warmer climates, the needle has a dampening effect, there is oil inside the meter head, if this dry's up, the needle swings freely and causes it not to settle down .fluctuate a lot .A new circuit board will not fix this problem. 

4. Purchasing a new circuit board, *** Note, the original G.M., Delco circuit board sold over the counter were not calibrated, so buying a new old stock board will not make your tach work. 

FIRST, ask if the circuit board is calibrated to read correctly for your year corvette, if not don't buy it, you need special equipment to calibrate it. .

TWO, Does it come with instructions, how to re zero the needle ,(a must for 1975-1976 tachs),possible problems you may encounter, etc..

THREE, are there three insulating washer, if yes, stay away,these type have problems. I believe there made in China.


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Re: Gauges (7/9)
 10/21/15 6:34pm
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Jim - welcome to C3VR and thanks for posting the info on tach diagnostics, I'm printing that one out for future reference. 

Mitch - as far as I know a bad circuit board will have nothing to do with speedo, its still mechanical in '80. If you've already replaced the plastic gear in the tranny and the two cables are good, that leaves the speedo unit itself or the main gear in the transmission. I would suspect the speedo at this point.


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Re: Gauges (8/9)
 10/21/15 4:40pm
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Good tach info.
The speedo is still mechanical.  One problem not metioned.  If the car has cruise control, the cruise transducer is sometimes the problem.  One cable spins going in, but the other does not spin coming out.  Once in a while it's just the cable end that's slipping/twisted and the cable although spinning, does not drive the transducer.
Re: Gauges (9/9)
 10/22/15 7:23pm
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Several years ago I had my speedometer converted from the 85 MPH to the 140 MPH and recalibrated by a guy named Bill Harrison.  He did a great job and you would never be able to tell the difference between the converted 140 MPH and the original 85 MPH.
 
Below is the link to his website.
 


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