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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (13/23)
 9/28/12 11:06pm
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Huh? Now I'm confused, but that's easy to do...LOL
If you do not have anything plugged into the connector I labeled as 12v from ign switch, then technically, there should be NO voltage at the NSS anywhere...the pink wires carry the voltage.
Something stinks in Denmark, and I'm smellin all the way over here....LOL

Lemmie git my Service Manual out, and verify all of the connectors on the NSS, but I do know for sure that the purple/white wire is FROM the ing switch, and the solid purple goes to the starter solenoid.
I also know that the light green wire is for the reverse lights....
Time for some research....but it's bedtime now. I'll be back in da mernin....


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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (14/23)
 9/29/12 12:26am
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Well Joel i'm definitely not on a time frame to get it fixed! lol i should have it out of the paint shop in the next week or so.  But i can tell you that before i put it in there that it DID start without anything plugged into what you labelled the 12V form ignition plug.  I know I pulled the NSS apart at one point and put it back together when this problem first came up and it worked for a while then it suddenly started up again without anything plugged in there, that is what had me thinking that it was the backing lights, i also havn't had backing or braking lights on this thing since i bought it! lol  what are the odds that someone did a really poor bypass somewhere in the system that i have yet to find that has burned out since i did crank on the ignition a little much while first bringing the engine back to life?

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (15/23)
 9/29/12 10:52am
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Well Jon...after much tracing of wiring diagrams, and getting cross-eyed, I have come to the conclusion that you may actually have the wrong NSS for the car. EVERYTHING I have shows the '75 with the seatbelt interlock system....all of the diagrams, and troubleshooting info show it. However, we know that the system was dropped during the '75 year model. The NSS you posted the pic of is for the seatbelt interlock system, which explains the extra plug you have no corresponding connection for.
My opinion now is, that you need to get a NSS for a '76. You should only have 4 wires on the switch. One power(12v) with key on, one for the reverse lights, and the two for the starter...that's it. If I look at diagrams for the '73, or the '76, that's what they have. Diagrams for the '74/5 show the switch with the lt green/black wire as part of the seatbelt interlock, going to the relay...that you do not have. This explains why it starts with you jumping across the connector with the  lt green/black wire.
As to how to explain how you were able to start it before, I can't.
There is probably a way to use the NSS you have, but you would need to use an ohm meter, and see what each pair of the wires do as you move the switch thru it's travel. You really only need to have a connection for the reverse lights, and starter. I think if you simply jump across the two purple wires in the vehicle harness, it will crank...but it will crank in any gear, so you need to be careful that it is in Park.



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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (16/23)
 10/2/12 7:33pm
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okay, so today i finally made it down to the car and put the switch i have now on the car and tried to jump between the extra wires that are on it so that it would complete the circut and would allow me to start the car in any gear.  When i jumped the plug here the car will crank even with the key in only the acessory position.  will a 76 plug really fix all this?

I did call the manufacturer about this and they do think that the 76 NSS will fix this, so in a week or so we will know just how right you are! lol


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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (17/23)
 10/2/12 10:29pm
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Yeeesh!This is really getting confusing now! You say that the plug with the two purple wires is HOT?? There should be NO voltage on either of those wires until the key is turned to "Start"....
That is weird...

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (18/23)
 10/3/12 6:16pm
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Hmm, the "purple wire" deal. I remember that wire well. Ermm

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (19/23)
 10/5/12 11:00pm
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How hard would it be to check the NSS w/ a VOM?  That would either eliminate it as the problem or indict it.

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (20/23)
 10/10/12 8:29am
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Well i finaly have the car back from paint... guy stole my money and didn't paint it... Sarge, what troubles can you tell me of your purple wire issue.  I've been thinking about this and it seems like the purple wire is always hot if the key is turned.... any thoughts?

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (21/23)
 10/10/12 9:10am
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The purple/white wire comes from the ignition switch, and should only be hot with the key turned to the "Start" position, at which point the plain purple wire(which goes out to the starter solenoid) should be hot.

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (22/23)
 10/10/12 2:53pm
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Okay so i just tested it, if the key is in the run position the purple wire is hot and the purple and white wire is not, if i turn the key as to start the car the purple wire remains hot, and the purple and white wire still is not hot.

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Re: What is wrong with this thing... (23/23)
 10/10/12 10:53pm
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Something is REALLY screwed up here....
I would suggest checking the wires on the starter solenoid. You should have a single purple wire on the terminal closest to the engine block. The large, center terminal of the solenoid should only have the battery cable, a red wire with a fuse link, and an orange wire, also with a fuse link. There should be NO wires on the outer terminal of the solenoid.
You have voltage on the purple wire that should be connected to the "Start" terminal of the solenoid...that ain't right.
If that purple wire IS connected to the inside terminal of the starter solenoid, and it is hot, the dadgum starter should be cranking all the time. We need to determine first WHERE that purple wire is on the solenoid....
 If there is no voltage on the purple/white wire with the key in the "Start" position, then there is a problem with the ignition switch, or the wiring between the switch, and the NSS....

Oh...and sorry about the guy rippin ya off on the paint deal...that sux....


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