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Where do these wire go (1/22)
 1/11/11 6:52pm
Shawnee2
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I'm new to C3VR and trying to redo an 82 CE that someone else started and is  no longer with us to help.  I have a few wires that I'm not sure where they go or what they do.
 
I have two black wires with large eyelets hanging down from under the front headlight area on both sides.  I think these go to the horn mounts as the main grounds but I think the horns are missing as I can not find them.  Anyone have a picture or something showing where they are located?  Does this sound right. 
 
I also have two other wires in this same area on the drivers side.  One is a single black wire with a connector attached.  The other is a black with red or orange stripe that looks like someone has stripped the wire back.  I think this wire goes to the hood vent solenoid but I know that is missing on my car (not planning on using anyway).  Have no idea about the other wire.
 
The other wires are a three wire connector that is under the dash and looks like it attaches to something in the sterring column.  The wires are blue-green-brown w/white stripe.  Someone has attached (melted) a different type of connector to it that has wires heading into the steering column.  For what it is worth the color of these wires are black-blue-brown.  These wires have been cut and I have not taken the column apart yet to see where they are going.  I'm assuming the horn since I am also missing some parts off of it as well.
 
I have downloaded some wiring diagrams and have a GM shop manual but have never been very good at wiring diagrams.  I'm looking for the easy way out.
 
Thanks for the help - JD 
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Where do these wire go (2/22)
 1/11/11 7:17pm
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Jeff, welcome to the site, hang in there our wireing expert will be on soon. About this time of the aftrenoon he is skinnin back an armadillo to put on the mesquite fire.
By time you get back in from shovelin the snow you should have an answer
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Where do these wire go (3/22)
 1/12/11 12:20am
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Skinnin an armored dilly? In THIS cold weather? Not a chance!
Any large black with with an eyelet is a ground. The horn(s) are mounted up under the nose of the car, between the headlights. You should be able to see them with the hood open, but...if your car doesn't have the horns, you won't see them. Perhaps someone here has a pic of the area to show them. The wire(s) for the horn(s) will be green, btw.
I'd have to take a peek at the wiring diagrams for the other stuff....

The wire going up to the hood door from the solenoid is Black with an Orange stripe. The single black wire there might be the ground for the hood door...I'm not sure. Pics of these wires and connectors would certainly help...

Dark blue or light blue?


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Where do these wire go (4/22)
 1/12/11 1:38pm
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Here is the location of the Horns
Where do these wire go (5/22)
 1/12/11 2:32pm
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Hi Jeff
I have a 82CE that is almost original and close to being but together.  Would be if I just kept my hands off of it.  I will go out and take some pictures for you if you still need them.  As you may have found out CE parts are sometimes difficult to get.  I have a local guy that has parted out (rebuilds them if they are rebuildable) two CE over the last ten years so he may have some of the hard to get parts.
Where do these wire go (6/22)
 1/12/11 2:33pm
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Bob...do you have the Service Manual on a CD or something? We can always count on you to have a nice, clear pic of whatever it is we are talking about! Thanks!!

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Where do these wire go (7/22)
 1/12/11 8:52pm
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Thanks Bob - I think my horns are no longer there.  I'll have to look around this weekend some more and take a couple pictures.  I'm not sure because I haven't seen any other loose wires yet.

Gilbert - Could you take a picture of what is in the front of yours so I can compare.  Like is said earlier, I'm trying to finish this after a friend started it and then passed away suddenly.  I'm sure I will have more questions of things that might be missing down the road.  The parts source sounds interesting.

I'm going to try and take a couple pictures of the other wires this weekend (only get to work on her then) and post.

 
Thanks everyone - I posted these same questions on a couple other forums and hardly go any response.  Looks like I have found the right home. Thumbs Up
 
Is there a crossfire expert on the forum?
 
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Where do these wire go (8/22)
 1/13/11 2:20am
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I did the same thing shopping around the different forum.  While there are other forums for CE's they are not all that active.  This is the only one I go on and paid to be a lifer with. 

I have had a cold all week I will get you some pictures (yes ebo even guys in sunny California get colds).   But we still can drive our cars year around.

Back to topic.  I will takes some pictures tomorrow early and post them.
Where do these wire go (9/22)
 1/13/11 4:14pm
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I have the 77, 78 80 Electrical troubleshooting in pdf,  as I search on the internet I save the info. the folder for corvette stuff is 5.5 GB I need to get it better organized to put on a couple of DVD,s
Where do these wire go (10/22)
 1/13/11 4:59pm
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The horn on an 82CE according to the assembly drawings I have is not in the center between the lights as it is in the above drawing.  It is somewhere on the left side.  I cannot tell by what I have so far if it is up by the lights or in the engine compartment or even in the front wheel well.  It is in front left.   Unfortunately my horns do not work or I would just honk them until I found it.  I do have a friend in town that I can have do that if I need too. 

I'm not going to post the pictures I took as they are of little use in finding your horn.  It is definitely not up between the lights.
More later as I try to figure out if I'm missing them (which I doubt) or they are just almost impossible to see.  Which I'm guessing is the issue.
Where do these wire go (11/22)
 1/13/11 5:47pm
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The horns on an 82 are not in the center between the headlights as in some earlier models.  My 82 isn't a CE but I think the horns would be in the same place on them.  My horns are located in an absolutely inaccessible area between the headlight assemblies and the fenders. I have a horn on each side in the same relative location.  I was going to take a pic of the  area but after sliding half way down my driveway on the ice from this weeks storm I decided that pics would have to wait.  Get a good light and probe around in that area from under the car, I think you will locate your horns.  If you find a way to access them let me know.
Where do these wire go (12/22)
 1/13/11 5:53pm
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Finally found my horns I think.  They are located in the headlight area.  The bracket is mounted against the compartment wall that separated the headlight compartment from the engine compartment.  The horns are mounted on the outside of the bracket towards the outside of the car.  This makes them almost impossible to see and with my hands impossible to really touch.  I Could not get my fingers around far enough to actually feel the front of the horn but could see the round side of it.  There are two of them one on each side.  There is a black ground wire connected to each bracket.  I have a .pdf of the location but need some help on how the best way is to post the pdf.   I would recommend that you purchase the Assembly Manual from Corvette America.  It is a pain to use because of how it is indexed.  But it has saved me a couple of times and it is what I used to find the horn location.
Where do these wire go (13/22)
 1/13/11 5:58pm
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Chip (Crossfire1982) was posting when I was.  He is correct.  I do not have snow or ice but could not figure out how to get a picture of the area and it would be impossible remove them without taking the front of your car apart.  All I can say is if my horns ever give out I will not be replacing them with OEMs.  Not interested in pulling the front of the car off to replace horns.
Where do these wire go (14/22)
 1/14/11 8:43pm
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Thanks guys.  Crossfire, I know what you mean about the ice and snow.  You are not far from me.
 
I'll look tomorrow to see if I can find them.  The wires I have may not even go there but I'm not sure where two wires that look like grounds would be attached.  I'll take some pictures tomorrow and try to post.  I have a pit so it is easily to get under the car.
 
I purchased the CD you are talking about.  Way too hard to find anything but looks like it has a lot of good information.
Where do these wire go (15/22)
 1/15/11 12:09pm
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Welcome to C3VR, good to see another local member.  You have a PM. Chip
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 1/15/11 10:34pm
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OK - figured out the large eyelet wires go to the horns.  Don't want to have to change these as they are tucked deep in the fender.  Looks like you have to remove a plastic shield to get to them.

Still do not know where the black with a connector and the black w/red or orange stripe goes.  I think the striped wire goes to the hood vent solenoid.  Not sure about the black wire.  Are there two wires connected to the solenoid?

The wires that go into the steering column is a three connector that someone has attached a different type connector to and then cut the wires gone into the column.  Any ideas at to what these are?  The green must be the horn but I have not check this yet.
 
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 1/15/11 10:39pm
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Figured out the hard way I can only post one picture.  I can send you a picture of the connector if you send me your e-mail or tell me how I can get another picture on the site.
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 1/16/11 12:43am
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Resize the pics...they are waaay to large! That will prolly solve the problem. There is no limit on how many you can post, but there is a size limit that the site will accept.

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Where do these wire go (19/22)
 1/16/11 11:58am
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Pictures are posted now.  Have more available if that helps any.

Thanks Adam, I'm learning!

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 1/16/11 12:33pm
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The horn control wire is black coming from the steering column. From there it goes to the Theft Deterrent module, where it then goes to the horn relay, still as a black wire. From the horn relay, the wire color going TO the horn(s) changes to dark green.

Need more info on the wire colors.
Could the "brown" wire actually be Tan with a white stripe?
Dark Green or light green?
Dark blue or light blue?
I saved the pics, and enlarged them, but I can't really determine the actual colors...for instance, I don't see a green wire in the larger of the two pics with you holding the wires.
The size of the white connector there makes me think this is the cruise control connector...and the wire colors for the cruise control switch ARE blue-brown-black...

The wires for the hood door solenoid are the black w/orange stripe, and the black. The solenoid needs two wires to work...one is power, the other is ground.
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 1/16/11 8:11pm
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The brown Blue black wires look like the wires for the cruise control switch on the column?
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 1/16/11 9:41pm
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Finally figured the wires out today.  The wires going into the column appear to go to the cruise.  Pulled on the wire just as it went into the turn signal lever and the cut wire moved. 

Looks like the black and black w/orange goes to the hood solenoid.

 
Thanks for everyones help. One to the next project.
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