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1969 350 starter (1/9)
 2/28/10 12:26pm
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Okay, so I have tried 5 different auto parts stores looking for a starter for the Coupe.  Seems that I have the oddball model.  Although it is the same starter on the Covertible.  I pulled it and checked it just to make sure.  So it cannot be too out of the ordinary.  Delco Remy 1108338 9 k 5 casting, diagonal bolt pattern, same length bolts for both sides.  Fits 350ci, TH400 Automatic.  Everyone looks at me like I am crazy when I ask them to cross reference it. 
 
The starter was missing when I bought it.  Therefore I am doing this by braile.
 
Anyone have any ideas as to where I can locate one?  Hopefully without the trial and error option?  I don't mind ordering it as long as I get what I need the first time.  Freight could eat my lunch otherwise.
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1969 350 starter (2/9)
 2/28/10 2:11pm
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The numbers on the starter itself won't do any good at all at a parts house. That's the original GM issued number which most parts places cannot cross over to their nums.
Does the convertible starter fit/work properly on the coupe? If so, just get a starter that matches the nose of the starter you have. It's really the nose that makes the difference, as far as fitting, and meshing properly with the flywheel. So, if the one you have will work, then look at one from the parts house, and see if the noses match for bolt hole location, and starter bendix(gear) location, and you should be good to go. The centerline of the starter motor is moved in/out in relation to the flywheel by the location of the bolt holes in the nose, so be sure to verify that.
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1969 350 starter (3/9)
 2/28/10 4:03pm
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Thanks Joel.

I do not intend to sound rude or mean to come across as smarter or more educated than any person or entity here.  So please do not take offense to what I am about to say.  I am frustrated, and looking for direction.  I say that because I know that often I come across in frustration as being corky.  So that being said....
 
The issue I am having is that of the nose cone design.  The only nose cone that anyone shows is totally different from the one that I have. Every one of them only show the same in-line bolt pattern and the nose cone is at a different offset.  Does not align with the flywheel.  They all act like there is only one design.  
 
The sad side of things is that I am a tried and true grease monkey.  Grew up spinning wrenches.  And building street rods with my father. Spent 2 years as an assistant manager at an autoparts house in Austin,  in a past life. Used to be that you could go to the books, and find everything you wanted, and cross those hard to find parts, (ie. the different nose cone).  The problem is that these days, parts counter people have no clue as to how to use the books nor do they even have the books to work from.  Everyone is locked into their computer, and if the computer does not show it they have no way of beginning to find it.  Thus this is the down side of a 40 year old car.  Never thought I would see the day that a parts guy had no knowledge of how to cross reference even a spark plug.
Anyway, I am by far not an expert by any means.  And Corvettes being excentric in their own right, I am hoping for a little direction from those who love these cars.  Because I am not getting it locally.
 


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1969 350 starter (4/9)
 3/1/10 12:48pm
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There are only a few starter designs, so you should be able to figure out which one you need.  There are only two offsets, depending on flywheel size, and either small cast iron, or larger aluminum nose.  Most blocks will accept either straight or staggered bolt pattern.

So do a little detective work, and you should be able to determine which one fits your flywheel and bellhousing.

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1969 350 starter (5/9)
 3/1/10 3:49pm
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Hope this can help

1969 Corvette Delco-Remy Starter Motors

1107365 Early 427 Engines (usage unverified)
1108338 350 Cubic-Inch Engines with Manual Transmission
1108351 427 Engines with M22 Heavy-Duty 4-Speed Transmission
1108361 Early 350 Cubic-Inch Engines (usage unverified)
1108400 427  Cubic-Inch Engines (except with M22)
1108427 350 Cubic-Inch Engines with Turbo Hydra-Matic
http://www.mamotorworks.com/corvette?frame=1.9138 this site has pictures of the starters they sell it may help
1969 350 starter (6/9)
 3/1/10 3:51pm
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The number 1108338  looks to be for a manual trans not an automatic
1969 350 starter (7/9)
 3/1/10 8:54pm
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Thanks Bob.
 
I ended up going to an old friend, that I worked with in the autoparts store way back when. I stumbled across his card on my desk from a chance meeting at a grocery store 6 months ago.  Low and behold he whips out an old book and crosses the casting numbers for me.  His book showed that the casting was for both manual and automatics.  Go figure.  So then we go and look up the cross over and there is my starter.  Pictures match exactly to what I have from the convertible and need for the coupe.  His warehouse in Dallas had two.  So considering I am doing two cars, and will definitely be replacing the convertibles(having 100,000 miles on it) I had him bring in both.  At $41.00 each, it seemed to be the smartes thing to do.  I intend to keep the old one as well, just for the sake of OEM parts on the shelf.
 
It just goes to prove that sometimes it is not what you know, but it is who you know.......
 
I just wanted to also thank you Bob, Larry, and Joel for taking to time to try to help me out.  Effort means alot to me, and it does not go unnoticed or un-respected in my book.  I hope to return the favor one day.
 
Thanks
Mike
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1969 350 starter (8/9)
 3/1/10 10:18pm
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I am happy to see that you got the answerd you needed, Mike.  I for one know how frustraiting it is.  You are correct in saything that we are slaves to our computers.  I bet that some of the kids today cannot opperate a slide rule !!  Welcome to the site and continue to ask questions.  From my experience, this is the "best little corvette website in texas".
P.S. I lived in Ft Worth for ten years, 1985-1995


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1969 350 starter (9/9)
 3/1/10 11:55pm
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Glad you were able to find something for it, Mike!
 As Larry said, there really is only a couple/three nose designs for the earlier small blocks. Most of the cast iron nose starter were used on standard trans cars, in my experience, and then the two other aluminuminum noses were used on the automatics, Then you have the different ring gear/flywheel diameters for the big block/small blocks.
I've prolly got at least one of each type starter nose out in da barn. I keep them for situations just like yours, where the goofy parts guys can't figure out what the heck I'm talking about. It's getting to the point to where you almost have to tell them what color the car is, and how much air is in the tires, just to be able to get a dang oil filter...


btw...I see nothing in your response that comes across as c ocky, or rude, at all.


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