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Re: OIL (8/18)
 2/5/15 1:04pm
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   I have ofton thought of using the diesel oil. What is the viscosity of it, and what is the cost comparitive?  THANKS.

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Re: OIL (9/18)
 2/5/15 1:14pm
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Beats me, but you can get 5 quart jugs of Mobil 1 at Walmart cheap.  Nothing wrong with the 20W-50.  I don't think a manual written in the mid 70's for that era oil is valid anymore with today's oil.

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Re: OIL (10/18)
 2/5/15 9:27pm
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Someone school me on the zinc levels?  What is this about?
Re: OIL (11/18)
 2/6/15 1:38am
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Over the last decade or so, in order to install better catalytic converters, zinc has been greatly reduced in motor oil.  The zinc when it gets into the exhaust degrades the effectiveness of the converters.

They could do this because they started changing to roller lifters some time in the 80's.  Zinc is the high wear protection compound put in oil to reduce flat tappet wear. 

You need around 1200 ppm or more of zddp (zinc dialla something or other phosphate) in flat tappet oil.  Camshaft break-in oil has a lot more than that.

That's a very basic non-engineer rudimentary explanation. 


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Re: OIL (12/18)
 2/6/15 10:49am
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I must say pic made me happy today. I never tell any body to use mobil one in a old engine  5/30 standard oil ok,my 79 with 92000 miles is just fine,there is no good reson to use ,new engine or rebuilt engine yes to mobil 1 only a brand name,i also get additive from corvette central to help oil,has lead and zinc in it. my 2007 uses mobil one 1  sure like that pic   dwa175
Re: OIL (13/18)
 2/6/15 1:51pm
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The great oil debate will never end. Everyone has their own favorite brand/blend/weight. I've had nothing but straight 30wt Pennzoil in my '74 from day one. All my other vehicles get 10-40 Quaker State...including the Goldwing.
There is definitely a problem with the oil blends today with little/NO zinc....it will absolutely lead to early failure of the lifters/cam on a flat tappet set-up. Even sneezle oils today don't have near the zinc in them that they did 10 years ago.

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Re: OIL (14/18)
 2/6/15 6:30pm
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I agree with Joel on the oil debate. I personally use Castrol GTX 20-50. Big blocks run hot , so I like to have a higher viscosity oil. I think that 30 W in small blocks that are not run hard, or, in real hot weather is fine. More than anything, use quality oil, the brand you like, and change it when it's due. Once a year for me, and, it still looks like new.
Re: OIL (15/18)
 2/7/15 8:56am
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Hello all,    A matter of fact is that GM sends out their vehicles from factory with Mobil 1 since and before 1988 when I did some testing for them in my former life as a chemist on Mobil One..  Inasmuch as using 30 wt oil,we engine builders use it for breaking in new to freshly built engines,then after 400 miles go to a multigrade oil, i.e.10x40 etc.  I had used Castro 10x40 for years until the GOV stepped in and removed the zinc to protect the CAT and the atmosphere. I did some research and went with Shell Rotella T 15x40 Diesel oil which has a fair amount of zinc and I also add a bottle of Zinc as well,it is cheap insurance.If any of you have bought a cam lately from a  brand name company,you will receive a bottle of Zinc as they were getting complaints from engine builders of the cams failing..Zinc will set your engine free form lobe failure.

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Re: OIL (16/18)
 2/7/15 1:17pm
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Shell has removed the zinc from Rotella just like all the other oils have. I think I read somewhere that 40 weight oils and above, don't come under the requirement to lower zinc levels. 

Found these in a search on Bobistheoilguy.com

"The zddp limit of 800 only applies to "energy conserving" and now "resource conserving" oils, which are all 30 weight or under."

"As far as the drop in zinc, I think it's more roundabout how the drop came about. The EPA forced automakers to warranty catalytics for 100k miles so the automakers in turn forced the oil companies to drop zinc since it can plug them in extreme cases. I bet if that hadn't happened it would still be in use because it's cheap and works so well. What's funny about the whole thing is that normal oil burning results in the zinc getting to the cat. ZDDP helps ring seal which reduces oil burning. So, to reduce zinc getting to the cat they take out one of the things that theoretically should help keep it lower."

Looking at another chart from 2012, looks like Rotella 10w-40 has 1200 zddp.  The recommended for flat tappet cams is something like 1200 to 1600.  So that weight Rotella should work.




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Re: OIL (17/18)
 2/8/15 7:55am
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FYI all a current evaluation of flat tappet oils. 

There are still a few oils on the market that have adequate levels of ZDDP.

  • Shell Rotella T which is a conventional (mineral-based) oil that was originally formulated for diesel engines. Rotella T still contains 1,200 parts per million ZDDP, according to Shell – which is as much as five times the amount found in other oils. Don’t sweat it that Rotella was/is “for diesels.” It’s also an excellent choice for older, non-emissions controlled engines with flat tappet cams that need their ZDDP. Rotella’s also modestly priced and readily available at most any auto parts store. Shell also markets a synthetic version of Rotella that offers even more protection – as well as longevity and a 5W-40 viscosity for those who operate their vehicles in colder climates. Standard Rotella comes in a heavier 15W-40 blend.
  • Another choice – in a full synthetic – is Amsoil which carries a line of oils with ZDDP in popular viscosities such as 10W-40 and heavier 20W-50.
  • Redline oil is also still fine for older engines with flat tappet cams. Unfortunately, both Amsoil and Redline can be hard to find at your local store; but if you plan ahead, you can order a case from any one of multiple suppliers online and just keep a stash on hand.

Another option is additives.

GM used to sell an over the counter Engine Oil Supplement (EOS) that was just what the doctor ordered – and for only about $12 per bottle. Unfortunately, GM stopped making the stuff and it’s now very hard to find.

Luckily, Competition Cams does offer something similar – its Engine Break-in Oil Additive. Comp cams used to recommend this for initial break-in but now recommends that it be added with the oil at every oil change.


Re: OIL (18/18)
 2/8/15 12:55pm
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For whatever it's worth, I use Valvoline VR1, 20W-50 in both my '64 and '80.



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