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Re: While I've Got That Apart (13/23)
 4/18/15 12:43am
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John, You are right about Summit Racing. I use them a lot for the various cars I work on. Living in southern Oregon I usually get my parts from them the next day. Their customer service is No.1, at least in the Sparks Dist. Center. 
Re: While I've Got That Apart (14/23)
 4/18/15 7:29am
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Thats what i said too and look what happened to me.



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Re: While I've Got That Apart (15/23)
 4/18/15 9:02am
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a-man    been there  don't want to go back   dwa
Re: While I've Got That Apart (16/23)
 4/18/15 12:09pm
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Cindy - been there, done that (twice), looks like your doing a great job !! I am desperately trying to keep the body on and engine in this one. Keep us posted on your progress. What your current ETA on completion ??

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Re: While I've Got That Apart (17/23)
 5/22/15 3:12am
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So its been a couple weeks since I started my water pump to rear main seal project and I thought I'd post some pics and an update. Overall the project has gone smooth, really smooth. Things were pretty dirty and grimey, but no major problems during the tear down. Nothing busted, stripped or otherwise threw a monkey wrench into the works. I've been taking my time, cleaning, tagging and bagging everything for easy re-assembly. The only real issues I've had so far were some new parts that were close, but required some exchange.

Under the "very glad I did this" column are the timing chain and oil pan.

 

The timing chain was the original and surprisingly the plastic coated cam gear was in still one piece. It was showing a bit of age and had a few cracks in it so I'm glad it's outta there. The chain itself was the worst part - as a result of gear wear, chain stretch or both, it had a strong 1/2" of play on each side. Bye bye Mr. chain !!

The oil pan was the other part of the "glad I did this". The pick-up screen was pretty gritty and there was about 1/4" of gray "bubble gum" sludge in the bottom of the pan. New pick-up installed and pan nice and clean, I also was able to carefully tap out a few dents in the oil pan before a coat of paint.



So now it's time for the new chain and gears, Comp Cams 3100 true roller. Fit like a glove and I've got to say some pretty serious engineering went into getting that wider chain and gears under the stock TC cover. I got out the calipers and the calculator several times to make sure it was going to clear both the block and cover.



 As part of the clean-up effort I removed the fuel pump. It certainly looks original, but I need to do some research into the PN number I found. Anyone got AC fuel pump part number ID codes ?? Removing the fuel pump also made replacement of the RH motor mount much easier. With some clean up and new motor mounts on both sides I could actually see where my new plug wires needed to be routed up to the forward plugs.



Here's a shot of the the top end with TC back on, plug wires routed and PS pump cleaned and ready to go. Just waiting for the return of my harmonic balancer. Found a guy down in Salem OR. that specializes in HB's. Cleaned, reset to original specs and bonded with a special silicone that replaces the original rubber sleeve. Guaranteed for the life of the car and he rebuilt my original balancer, not one from the core pile.



Another shot from the bottom end. PS control valve rebuilt and installed with new pressure and return lines to the pump. Except for some oil and a new filter, the bottom side is ready to go. 

Here's where I ran into a few parts problems. 

First of all the pick-up I ordered was too short and would not clear the internal oil pan baffle, no big deal. Also had to search out a new oil pump. The high volume pump I ordered from Summit came with a warning label that it was high pressure, not what I ordered. Called Summit, they called Sealed Power and assured me the the pump was high volume only and the warning label was inserted by mistake. Looking at the box, which looked as though it had been previously opened, I decided to play it safe and install a standard pressure/volume pump fresh from my local Napa.

The final parts disappointment was the new one piece oil pan gasket by Felpro. I had just used their new t-stat gasket with the built in o-ring and was looking forward to the one piece pan gasket. Out of the box it looked great but as I started to read the instructions and noticed the new set of pan bolts that came in the kit, I knew I had a problem. The new gasket is quite a bit thicker than the standard and they highly recommend the use of the longer bolts for proper thread engagement. Doing a little dry fit, it soon became clear that my original pan bolts wouldn't even come close. Being the original nuts and bolts guy that I am, back to Napa for the std. 4 piece kit. I think the new gasket is a great gasket design and I may use it on other vehicles, just not this one.

More to come when my HB arrives !! 





|UPDATED|5/22/2015 12:12:32 AM (AZT)|/UPDATED|


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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT UPDATE (18/23)
 5/22/15 7:24am
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The 40769 fuel pump is correct for the car. Same pump was/is used for several year/car models....very common pump.
Looking good!! Thumbs Up


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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT UPDATE (19/23)
 5/22/15 2:05pm
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Hey Joel, thanks for confirming the fuel pump P/N. I also did some digging and found date code information on the NCRS website - the 305L preceeding the P/N is the Julian date code for the pump. 305 = October 31st, L = 1972, both are perfect for my December 13th, 1972 car !!

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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT UPDATE (20/23)
 5/24/15 10:24am
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Wow looks great, sadly I'm a long way from where you are.  Just finished seeding so hopefully get to sandblasting the frame in June.My hopes are to have suspension all back on car this fall, I do have some of it all redone and just waiting for frame so I can continue.  On the other hand I have been working on my 92, just back from shop where i had the cracks fixed on fenders and a paint job.  Looks like previous owner had fender flares on it and did a poor job of fixing the holes, hence the cracks, now I'm hoping to replace front and rear seal as it has developed oil leaks and that drives me crazy.  Not going to do that I will take it to a shop some things are just worth paying for when you don't have a hoist to work on these cars. Thumbs Up

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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT UPDATE (21/23)
 5/24/15 2:29pm
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Thanks Cindy, hope to have it back together and running today. Glad to hear you've got at least one of your cars to enjoy this summer. Keep pushing on the '75, once you turn the corner and start putting all those new and cleaned up parts back together it will all be worth it !!

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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT COMPLETE (22/23)
 6/2/15 4:52pm
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So my harmonic balancer came back from rebuild and installed with no problem. For those interested I had it rebuilt by Dale Manufacturing, you can check them out at www.hbrepair.com. Family business since the 70's, great guy to deal with. Total rebuild including return shipping was $167.65. The only minor issue was he'll repaint it in any color as long as you want it black. I asked him to do a "primer only" and I sprayed it with a light coat of Chevy orange before installation. It will be interesting to see if judges notice silicone rubber insulator vs. original rubber ?? As I mentioned in my previous update, the biggest reason I went to Dale was that he rebuilt my original HB, not one from the core pile. All of my research suggests that no one (including NCRS) is recognizing date codes on HB's yet, but mine had a clear L2F stamped on the face of it. Perhaps L = Nov., 2 = 1972, which would be correct for this car, time will tell. 



The rest of the re-assembly went just as well, original rebuilt water pump back in along with correct radiator and heater hoses from Bair's. Removed the dist., primed the oil pump and fired it up. No funny noises and my drip pan is now clean and dry. I was a little concerned when the new rear main seal dripped about three or four drops upon the initial prime and fire, but after a few trips up and down the block, everything is dry. Overall I think the engine is running and accelerating smoother, it certainly seems quieter. I attribute both to the worn timing chain components. I noted a little more oil pressure at the gauge with the new pump and pick-up, but certainly nothing to be concerned about. On the glad I did scale of 1 to 10, I'll give the project an 8. Just a little bit more piece of mind as I drive this car a little farther away home.

So what now ?? My wife just bought me Richard Prince's Corvette '68 to '82 Restoration Guide (2nd Edition) for my birthday. It looks like I will dive a little deeper into all things numbered and dated on this project.  


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Re: While I've Got That Apart - PROJECT COMPLETE (23/23)
 6/3/15 12:35pm
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Judging on the balancer would pretty much be for configuration only, since there's really no way to see much else. I doubt anyone will be looking for something other than factory rubber on it. As long as it is the "correct" thickness, diameter, and has the "correct" shape on the backside, you'll be fine. Good Job!! Thumbs Up

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