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1982 Computer Code (1/16)
 4/11/08 8:18pm
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Last fall my Check Engine light came on. I figured it was probably related to the emissions control, so I didn't worry about it.
 
When I took her out last week, the light came on again. It takes about 10 miles or 10 minutes, then it comes on.
 
I had a spare O2 sensor that DaveM gave me, so I swapped it out the other night.
 
Went for a ride around the block today and the light came back on.
 
So today I decided to use the diagnostic tool under the ash tray.
 
Came up with trouble code 44.
 
My Haynes Repail Manual says that is in the oxygen sensor system.  Says the exhaust is lean. Guess I'll have some more troubleshooting to do when I get back from Hot Springs. Might be a vacuum problem. Or a leaking gasket. Or the oxygen sensor. Or a connection.
 
Anyone have a scanner for an '82?
 
 


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1982 Computer Code (2/16)
 4/11/08 9:39pm
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my scanner will read my 90 and is supposed to be able to read the cars back to 1980. it will recognize my friends 88 but will not connect with the computer. just received an older cartridge from joel and will try it out this weekend.

it might be a good idea to try a new oxygen sensor instead of a used one. also if you have the gm service manual they usually give you the way to check all the connections, etc.

good luck. working on these computer controlled cars can be a real learning experience.

by the way, if you are going to paul's (lukesvette) bbq and still need it let me know and i will bring it and we can try hooking it up.

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 4/11/08 11:40pm
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I'm pretty sure all you will get is the trouble code from that computer, a scanner will give you the same thing. Those computers only gave you a hint of where to look, trouble shooting them is no fun, I will not miss mine Wacko. I hope you get a lot of these things worked out before the trip, good luck.
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1982 Computer Code (4/16)
 4/11/08 11:56pm
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If the O2 sensor is good, try disconecting your battery. This should clear your code.
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 4/12/08 12:00am
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I've scanned codes for my LS1 many times, have no experience with the CrossFire though (yet).  But if the code is a lean condition, it's not something that I would want to drive to Arkansas and back with.  Sounds like possibly an exhaust leak (didn't you install a new exhaust not too long ago?) reading too much air at the O2 sensor.
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 4/12/08 12:50am
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DW - check for air leaks around the base of each throttle body.  That was one of the (many) problems with Pete's '82CE when we drove it back from California last May.  With the engine idling spray some carb cleaner around the bases and if it smoothes out a little you have a leak.  A propane torch with a short piece of rubber hose on the end will do the trick also (no flame - just gas).
 
The gaskets are fairly easy to swap out - took Pete and I an hour or so to them both.  I'd recommend removing one TB and taking it and/or the gasket with you to the parts store.  We had to make a 2nd trip because we were given the wrong gaskets the 1st time (but they were what the computer called out).
 
You may have an air leak somewhere else past the TBI sensor that is why the O2 sensor is reading lean.  I agree that you don't want to be on an extended trip with it running lean.
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 4/12/08 9:11am
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The code only says the ECM thinks the engine is lean. This could be for many reasons, including a vacuum leak, or an exhaust leak before the O2 sensor.
The EGR could also create a "lean" condition, if it is not opening correctly. The ECM will lean out the fuel when the EGR is operating, as the EGR should be introducing unburned fuel into the cylinders. If it is not opening, or not opening enough, the mixture will be lean, because the ECM is still leaning it out, thinking the EGR is doing it's job.
You can have a dirty injector(s) that will cause a lean exhaust code, too.
Of course, the O2 sensor may be reading wrong, too.
I may have some troubleshooting info here, I don't know. We have a Club meeting today, so it will be later this evening before we get back, but I will look to see what I have, and send it to ya if ya need it.

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 4/12/08 3:29pm
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I did replace the exhaust over the winter, but I believe everything is tight and not leaking. Plus this problem started last fall.
After I changed the O2 sensor, I did disconnect the battery to reset the code, although I'm not sure it was off for the recommended 10 seconds. More like 5.
But the light still came on, so I believe the problem is still there. And I am only getting one trouble code message.
I don't believe it is running lean. Everything looks and sounds normal. I know I have vacuum leaks and the gaskets probably need to be changed.
I'll do the carb cleaner test to check that part.
I have a complete kit of gaskets and seals that DaveM gave me, but I don't want to take it all apart now. I will bring all the parts and tools with me to Hot Springs. Maybe we can have an '82 Crossfire Injection tech session while we are there.LOL
 
Wish me luck.


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 4/12/08 4:51pm
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Everything in my alldata says it's the o2 sensor circut.  the most common thing we find here is that it dropps out a ground.Huss6919812008-04-12 14:18:13
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 4/12/08 9:22pm
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I hope that's all that is wrong.

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 4/13/08 8:24am
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dave, just an added thought here. i am far from a computer expert but working on the 90 was a learning experience. my suggestion would be to repair the things you know are wrong as all the systems are sending info to the computer.

my 90 kept showing the egr code and i went crazy trying to figure it out. turned out to be a vacuum hose someone tried to repair and i found it by accident.

even though the code is for the oxygen sensor it could be something else setting it off. one time the check engine light came on in my 1981 caddy and it was saying the tsp was bad. turned out to be the oxygen sensor was bad. obdI computers are not as advanced as the obdII.

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 4/13/08 8:53am
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I understand. Thanks for the advice.

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 5/22/08 12:26pm
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So I finally took her to my mechanic.
 
He found a vacuum leak on the intake manifold gasket.
Replaced the gasket.
Replaced the O2 sensor.
 
Found that the driver side headlight actuator was leaking. Ordered a left one. The box said left. There was a right one in the box. Ordered another left one. Box said left. Right one in the box. Ordered a right one. Box said right. Got a left actuator.Confused I guess it depends are where you are standing.
 
Balanced the throttle bodies. (No charge)
 
Fixed the vacuum lines on the headlight switch (No charge).
 
Tried to check the timing, but the dampener was way off. It was broken.
 
Replaced it and discovered that the fan clutch was busted.
 
Replaced it and saw that the lower speedo cable was touching the exhaust and had melted through. (My fault. The cable was too long.)
 
Replaced it and all the interior light bulbs. (No charge.)
 
Tried to fix the cold idle, but ran out of time (I wanted to drive it before I go to F.W, IN.
 
So now it runs better than ever.Clap
 
I still have a problem with the driver door handle, but that is another thread.Cry 
 
And the tach is sticking. Not a problem right now.
 
I am just glad to have it back.Big%20smile
 
 
Taking a trip on Saturday, car show on Sunday and maybe a parade on Monday. Cruise-ins next week.
 
The season is finally starting.Clap


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 5/22/08 1:01pm
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[QUOTE=dwright] Found that the driver side headlight actuator was leaking. Ordered a left one. The box said left. There was a right one in the box. Ordered another left one. Box said left. Right one in the box. Ordered a right one. Box said right. Got a left actuator.Confused I guess it depends are where you are standing[/QUOTE]

That's why you should ALWAYS identify a part as Driver side or Passenger side.... Not much chance of confusion that way.

Of course, that doesn't mean a flip if the part in the box ain't right(correct) to start with... Happens all the time around here...

Glad ya got some of that stuff handled, anyway. It's got to be more fun driving now not worrying about it!

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 5/22/08 3:36pm
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Glad you got things all fixed up. Now go out and have FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!
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 5/23/08 5:27am
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I'm just glad (and lucky) I didn't have any problems on the Gathering trip.
 
I do feel a lot more confident on long trips now.
 
And a little lighter in the wallet.LOL


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