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76 fuel pump on a ZZ4 Question (16/26)
 7/3/08 8:58pm
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This may be a dumb thought or question.
 Ok...the ZZ4 comes with a roller cam right???
 
So if the block is machined for a standard fuel pump, isn't it recommended to use a bronze tipped fuel pump pushrod?
 
I remember when I swapped out the flat tappet cam for a roller cam on my GM 350 HO crate engine, I had to use a bronze tipped or a roller tipped pushrod.
Or is it ok to use a standard steel pushrod on a roller cam?


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 7/3/08 11:22pm
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Excellent question sarge Tongue. A billet cam (as used on the roller cam application) won't tollerate the the hard metal drive gear on the stock distributor, so, it makes sense it might need a special composition fuel pump drive rod since it's not roller ???? Where do I get one?Confused I'm building "this" motor currently, still working on the valve train, but I'm gettin' to the fuel pump soon. What a stroke of luck that this subject came up now Clap Thumbs%20Up. aceinthehole2008-07-03 20:24:36

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 7/4/08 10:00am
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After doing some research on the good 'ol internet, it seems the consensus is to use a bronze tipped FP pushrod on billet roller cams.
 
I installed a Comp Cam FP pushrod #4607 in mine when I did the LT4 Hot Cam. They are about $15.
They also have a Ceramic tipped one #4608 for about $64.
Lastly they offer a roller tipped one for about $114.
 


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 7/4/08 10:23am
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How the heck does a roller tipped pushrod work in that position? What keeps it from spinning?
Sounds like a great idea, and should add a little HP with the drag removed from the cam, much the same as roller lifters. I'mma gonna have to do a little searchin myself, now...I'm curious!


Well, I went to Comp Cams' web-site, but...the pic is the exact same for all of the p-rods they list! Not much help there! Adams' Apple2008-07-04 07:29:02

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76 fuel pump on a ZZ4 Question (20/26)
 7/4/08 4:55pm
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Thanks for the part #s Sarge. I had to buy the dist. drive gear for Comp. cams also, very pricey, but they make the best one....AND JOEL, if you come up with any more info on these rods, I'd sure appreciate the education. ...Thanks guys
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 7/5/08 1:08pm
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So now that I installed the standard FP push rod in my ZZ4 do I have to change it to a bronze tip push rod or can I leave it as is? Will the standard push rod ruin my cam for sure and if so what is the sence of urgency to replace it? Can I drive it as is for awhile? Other guys must have used the standard rod in thier ZZ4 as no mention of using the special push rod was in the installation for the GM manual.Cry

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Sorry Carl, I don't have any more info at the moment ( and I'm at work ).  While, I was aware of the special dist. drive gear, I never considered the fuel pump rod either. This is my first time building a roller motor. A call to the Tech. guys at Comp. Cams, Summit, or Jegs could answer that quickly.

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 7/5/08 5:00pm
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I contacted the tech rep at GM engine depot where I bought the ZZ4 and he said my standard steel push rod is just fine. He did mention the hardend gear for the distributer was required if I used my existing stock distrbuter. So with that info I will use the push rod that I installed. Thanks for asking the question as you got me thinking and that I needed to check.Tongue

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 7/5/08 7:15pm
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And thank You Carl. I haven't bought that rod yet so I guess I'll get the less pricey bronz one, just to be on the safe side. It couldn't be that much more than the stock style.

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 7/5/08 11:27pm
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Well if the GM tech gave a thumbs up to using a regular steel pushrod, then leave it.
 I just remember that upon ordering up the LT4 Hot cam kit, there was a tech note recommending the use of a bronze tipped PR.
 
 I just brought up this question because I would hate to see someone have a cam ruined due to technical oversite.
 
 Joel, I don't know what would keep a roller tipped PR in place from spinning. That option was a bit pricey for me. I think it's just the two flat surfaces (roller tip to cam lobe contact) keeping things aligned and true. I figured the bronzed tipped PR was suitable for my application.


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76 fuel pump on a ZZ4 Question (26/26)
 7/6/08 12:00am
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Thanks for the info. If I get any other information to counter the use of the steel PR I will reply to this thread. Or if anyone else has any data on the ZZ4 standard cam and the use of a special alloy PR I hope they chime in. I can always replace it.

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