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 7/31/11 12:19am
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So I guess 3C means the third generation of Corvette. The first being the 1955 thru 1960 or so. The second being the 1963 thru 1966 or so. The third being this 1970's body style. 

So I posted some questions. I guess those were not yet answered, the answer is on some other page along with the question or else it all happens on Facebook. Which is it. 

And to restate the question. What is the big deal with the 1970 Vette. I guess it was pre smog and perhaps had a certain motor to it. 

I have trouble seeing why people like the big block when it seems to only have 25 or so more horsepower than the 350/350. Wouldn't the smaller block rev higher and have less weight making the car perform better. Or is it that you have so much potential in the big block to hop it up that you can go to 500 or 600 horse power. Do you make the really big flared out fenders yourself or is there a kit to morph onto the stock car. The one video of the German vette had 15" tires..I think that is 15" wide. How reliable is a stock 350/350 corvette with carburetion. As reliable as a 1973 240Z (mine was bullet proof) like a Chevy Impala of 1970, or like an MGB, a true pain in the ass. Just wondered what I am getting into here. It seems to me that what would make the most sense would be to buy a good 1970 350/350 with carburetion (the corvette guy told me to beware of fuel injection)  then slowly hop it up a bit here and there. Once I had determined if it was the car for me, get another and start building a crazy wild one kind of like the German black on on the video but not to the tune of $180,000 like his. Where is the corvette market now. At the bottom, at a terrible bottom, climbing out of the hole or scarce as hens teeth. I had my heart set on a stock 1963 convertable like the frat boys had while I walked to class and then worked till midnight washing dishes. But now this 1970 Vette idea is growing on me. They say there is no such thing as a stupid question. I hope those on this forum agree.

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 8/1/11 12:00am
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You are welcome and there is no such thing as a stupid question. 

While we have fun on this forum we do not like being made fun of. Approve  We all really like our C3 basic body style. 

From your post I'm not sure what you are trying to get answered or making fun of people that own a C3.  I own a crossfire and yes they can be a pain in the ass but I have seen some run really strong.  (mines not there yet).  I have found people that do not like them just do not understand them.  They can give you 200hp at 18 plus miles per gallon not bad for a daily driver.  For 500 buck or more you can easily get them up to 240hp and 18 to 20 miles per gallon that really is good and fun as a daily driver. 
One thing I would mention it would seem you are being disrespectful of earlier C3's, If was not your intention then I apologize.  I would suggest that you be more careful on the way you word your questions.

I have also found that asking one question at a time or grouping them would help for example if you are trying to decide to purchase a small or a large block with an idea to make it a real monster why not ask it in those terms.  If you did I would bet you would get a lot of responses. 
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 8/1/11 12:23am
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First I was not trying to make fun of any one or any car. I don't know how that was read into my post. Over the years I have heard horror stories about corvettes but I always assumed it was certain model years and then the smog years. That is why I was asking for the comparison. I have no idea what a crossfire is. I would walk past the 63-66 Vettes at the Frat houses when I was going to class and later wash dishes at night. I assumes I would get one some day, but now this idea of the 1970 Vette came up. Cheaper, something I could take out and romp on with a big ass engine, to get the frustrations out of my system. I do not understand the whole dynamics of Corvettes over the years. But I do know that certain friends would not shut up about the horrible vettes they had. I have no ax to grind as I have not put one dollar into a corvette. In highschool some wonderful chevy salesman took me for a test drive and signed me of for the corvette news. 

I'm just trying to get a handle on whats, what. with the various years of corvettes. It seems that if I could get a 1970 corvette for $7.,600 like my friend claims to have, with even a 300 horse engine, it would be a no brainer unless it was like that MGB that I had, a disaster. 

This site is terribly confusing to me likne most computer sites. I have no idea what I am doing and where these posts are being answered. It does not seem logical, but none of the sites seem logical to me. So I plug along and try to make a game plan for this corvette idea. 

Thanks you and sorry for being disrespectful of corvettes. 
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 8/1/11 8:49pm
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I don't know, a 1970 Corvette for only $7,500 is either a great deal or its hiding some warts. The chrome bumper C3s (68 to 73) usually go for a lot more then that, usually $20,000 plus. The only problem with Corvettes is that there is a lot more things you have to look out for then in ordinary cars. Since they are different and collectable, there are many people out there looking to take unsuspecting consumers money. I would not buy ANY collectable car (especially Vettes) without having a reputable shop (for Corvettes, a Corvette shop) look it over. Any older car will have some things to take care of, since they are old. If you're looking for a more affordable C3, the 74 to 82 models can be had more cheaply (but they do have the soft bumpers). We are here because we have found Corvette C3s that we like and enjoy the help and comradery of like minded people. We have some awesome get togethers and shows, also! I hope that helps answer your question.
 
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 8/1/11 9:50pm
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I understand. While it's not realistic at $7,600, twenty grand is not impossible.

Is the 350/350 carbureted motor the way to go, for my first one?
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 8/1/11 10:23pm
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First off, all C3s were carburated, until 1982 (crossfire). The 1970 was the lowest production year of Vettes due to a strike, so they're a little more rare. Saying all that, if you can find a 70 in good shape, I would go for the small block if you want to drive it. As you stated, they handle better, are cheaper, and parts are more plentiful. But whatever you buy, get it checked out by a reputable Corvette shop before you put down the money. People on this site will be glad to help you fix problems or find solutions to various issues. A great group of people here!
 
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 8/2/11 7:05pm
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I'm probably missing the obvious but what do you gain by getting a 1970 as opposed to a 1971 or 1972? Don't they all have the chrome bumpers and the 1970's were a strike years and hence scarcer. Why not just get a 71 or 72?
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 8/2/11 10:20pm
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I would say no difference. It really all depends on what you find that you like. 68 to 72 all had chrome bumpers front and rear if thats what you're after. I probably would avoid 68s, only because they have many unique parts and therefore may be harder to restore. However, do not discount the 73 to 82 models. They have soft bumpers, yes, but have the same body style with many more features. The 79 to 82 have the most comfortable seats and the 78 to 82 have the most interior room (fastback style). Go to someplace like a dealer to drive a few to see what you like. Any of them can be modified to do almost anything you desire. In many states, if you register the car as historic, it doesn't need emission or safety inspections. Happy hunting!
 
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 8/3/11 12:52am
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Thank you for the clear explaination of the various years. I am going to try to get to the Wabash BBQ meet up tomorrow in Excelsior Springs around 4:00 and I did visit Vintage Vettes once last week. So it is slowly coming together. Its been one of those dreams that was forgotten till I went to the Vette show at the City Market. 

By the way, at ten every Sunday morning thru September 25, there is a car show at the City Market. Last week was Z cars. This sunday its Rolls Royces and vintage cars. Its quite well done with a metal roofed pavilian in case of rain or bright sun. Both the Corvette show and the Z show had several dozen cars of high quality...like new. Its not advertized hardly at all. I just happened to catch a blurb in the Thursday KC Star Preview section about the vettes. The Z cars show was not shown at all.
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 8/3/11 12:53am
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Its right next to the Arabia steamboat display.
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 8/3/11 8:53am
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Take your time and gather as much information as you can before you make the leap. That way the experience will be complete pleasure, not a "what have I done?" moment.
 
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 8/3/11 10:46am
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Welcome tsar777!

I hope you find what you are looking for.  I got out of the Air Force (ours) in 1983.  I was looking forward to the new vette that was to come out that year.  Turns out the C4 was not produced until 84.  I put the vette desires on hold for over 20 years and put up with my first plastic car that did me well.  But, when the day came, I was happy to put the bumper sticker on my Saturn station wagon - MY OTHER PLASTIC CAR IS A CORVETTE -  a happy day.  Clap

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 8/3/11 12:26pm
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That's inspiring. I just completed the Mopar phase of my life. My friend with ADD actually got me into Mopars...Nuff said?

So I am excited about vetting a vette.

Yes, our dreams do come true if we pursue them long enough.
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 8/3/11 1:17pm
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First off, Welcome to C3VR!!!

The '70-'72 Corvettes are basically the same cars. The real difference is in the horsepower ratings. The '70 cars had more hp, theoretically, depending on the engine. The Guvment was requiring the manufacturers to phase in engines that would run on low/no leaded fuels at that time, so horsepower suffered. The WAY the engine were rated also changed, from Gross Hp(bare engine, no accessories such as power steering/alternator, etc), to Net Hp(engine with all accessories mounted).
Of course, a '72 LS6 would be the King, but they're really rare....and expensive!
A sweet, LT1 is always nice, but a base engined, Corvette is good, too. You gotta decide how much you want to spend, and buy the best car you can afford, unless you just want a project car, and are willing to shell out the $$$$$$$ over time to fix it up, and get it the way you want.

There are many different forums here available to members. This particular topic would fit perfectly in the "C3 General Discussion" forum. Since this discussion is now taking place in the "Welcome" forum, a LOT of folks will not see it, so the response will be limited. I'll see if I can move this to the Gen Disc. forum, and allow more folks to join in, and help.


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 8/3/11 1:45pm
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First let me say the you came to the right place to get information/help with vette issues.Second the people here are the most friendly,helpful and playful I have meet.That said the C-3 corvette like a canvas,and you can make it your our piece of work to suit your taste.Like I say a C-3 looks fast standing still you can't beat the lines of the car,but that just my opinion.Good Luck on yours.
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 8/3/11 4:45pm
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I looked for two years..I got a L46 4 speed with some options...really what you pay is going to be determined by what the car comes with..a bumper car with tons if history and paperwork and originality can bring more..that said it really depends on if you want that..if you want a stock L46 then go for it..but if you want a car to make fast then get a base 300 hp car and go for the 3 C's..these cars are not hard to work on if you have basic knowledge of how a car works..but really if you know nothing get some books and see if you want to get into it..they can go either way..you fix it or you pay someone to do it for you..are they a nightmare..I don't think so..but really it depends if you can tolerate doing something to the car every once in a while..it depends on how much was done before you get the car..rear wheel bearings and brakes are big ones..it can be costly do do them but it usually only needs done once if it was done right..it really comes down to what do you want to do with it.

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 8/3/11 11:54pm
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68-72's are often sought after because they were the last of the "Bumper Cars".  And as time goes by, they generally are becoming more and more rare at a reasonable price.  Corvettes have gotten a bad rep because they are unique, and share very little with their GM cousins.  Unlike most GM cars that share the same basic footprint across the relate bodystyles and across differing product lines.  The cars are mostly fiberglass.  Bodywork takes alot more time and practice.  Remember, the cars do not weigh much to begin with, so it does not require a ton of horsepower to really get them rolling, as it would with the vintage steel cars.
 
As was said earlier, C3 engines are easy to manipulate.  But the cars can also be difficult to work on.  Only because you have limited space, and odd angles to access key parts.  Being that the hood raises in reverse, and that everything is fit so tightly into the engine compartment.
 
Remember, C3's are 30 - 40+ years old.  Cutting edge during their time. and To Me, they are not for the faint of heart.  OR for owners without patience.  Time and time again, I have met people that lose interest in their cars, because it DOES take time to fix the little things that most any vintage car will need to have fixed.  AND Because they saw some car show on TV where a shop full of professionals had a car done in a matter of months.  And they cannot understand why one man alone in his garage cannot do it just as fast, in his spare time.  40 year old cars need fixing.  Little stuff and big stuff.  It is that simple.  Not all the time, but things happen, and parts need rebuilding.
 
To me, Corvettes are a passion, of those that own them.  I always dreamed of owning a 69 Corvette.  And now I am rebuilding 2 of them. Why two? Because I can.  Because I have always wanted one, passionately.  And just happened to stumble into two of them.
 
The people I have met here are passionate about their cars.  They are passionate about each others cars.  I have seen the comradary and the knowledge that they share with each other.  These cars are as unique as their owners.  Restoration, Retro-mod, or totally blown out.  It is not a matter of money, it is a matter of taste and desire.  And to each his own. 
 
Pick what works for you and your budget.  Build it that way.
 
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