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Brake Light '79 Corvette (10/20)
 10/24/09 1:32pm
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Well, the darn brake light has reared its ugly head a few times more. The pedal is still firm.
Upon checking the fluid level yesterday, I had less brake fluid in the rear portion of the Master Cylinder and the front portion remained full. Off to the shop I went.
 
Today the mechanic told me he does not see any leaks in the calipers, lines or hoses.
He believes the Master Cylinder is going bad and is allowing brake fluid to pass in to the Power Booster. Where does the brake fluid go when this happens? Question
 
I'm inclined to agree with this but wanted to know if we're overlooking anything.
Any input is appreciated.
 
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (11/20)
 10/24/09 2:22pm
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The fluid will wind up in the booster, and eventually it will damage the diaphragm, as well as fill the booster with fluid, which will reduce the effectivness of the booster, meaning the pedal will get harder to push...
There is a seal between the master and the booster, but most of those by now are really nothing more than rubber dust...
Unbolt the master cyl, leaving the lines connected, and pull it forward, away from the booster. If it is leaking , it will be obvious.


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Brake Light '79 Corvette (12/20)
 10/24/09 2:34pm
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Hey Joel,
Thanks for weighing in. Thumbs Up
If'n it were your car would you just change the worn seal or go with a whole new Master Cylinder?
I'm leaning toward a whole new unit but won't spend the dough if it's just not necessary.
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (13/20)
 10/24/09 6:49pm
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Well...iffin it were mine, I would most likely rebuild the master cyl meself, but I realize that's not an option for everyone. In that case, then you can buy a rebuilt master and install it.
The seal I mentioned above is not part of the master cylinder...it is part of the brake booster. It seals the rod on the booster that actuates the master. The outer part of the same seal also seals against the master cyl where it bolts to the booster, so, theoretically, there will be a tight seal so no vacuum leak occurs. However, if the booster seal is bad, AND the master is leaking, then the leaking fluid will go into the booster, since there will be vacuum pulling it in there. If the master is NOT leaking, and the booster seal goes bad, then it can pull fluid past the master cyl. seals, and create a leak there.Wits End

I had a vacuum leak on my '74 that I had a hard time finding. It took me several years to finally locate it(I don't drive the car much, so it wasn't exactly a priority). I finally discovered the seal on the booster was the culprit. The seal is not available anywhere, at least not that I have found. I wound up using a seal for the headlight actuator...worked poifectly!
If your master itself is leaking, it's time to either replace, or rebuild it, depending on you mechanical skills.
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (14/20)
 10/24/09 9:05pm
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We'll go with a new Master Cylinder.
And thanks for the idea concerning the seal on the Power Booster. Who'da thought?
I'll chime in when its done.
Kevin
 
 
Brake Light '79 Corvette (15/20)
 10/25/09 12:27am
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Kevin, if you get new master cylinder, make sure you bench bleed it before installation.    Thumbs Up
 
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (16/20)
 10/25/09 11:01am
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Also, when replacing the master, be sure to check the depth of the piston hole where the push-rod goes into the master. There are two different depth piston holes for different year models. One is very shallow, and the other is quite deep. If you put a deep hole master on where a shallow one was, you won't have any brakes, since the push-rod won't be long enough to push the piston in the master.
If you get a shallow hole master, and try to put it on where a deep hole master was, it won't bolt all the way on without bottoming the piston in the master...in that case, you won't be able to push the brake pedal down.
I think most of the parts vendors have the dimensions listed...lemmie look and see can I get a pic to show what I mean...

Looks like the '77-'82 cars had the "shallow" piston masters. I remember one time I had rebuilt a master off of a friends '81 after I had replaced his with a reman. I kept the original one. Then, one day, the one on my '74 took a dump. I figured, "Hey...I got this one here that is rebuilt, so I'll just slap it on and go!"....NOT! Mine took the longer push-rod/deeper piston, and the later model was the short rod/shallow hole master. Sooooo....I had to rebuild mine...Wits End
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (17/20)
 10/25/09 1:12pm
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Bench Bleed --- Check
Piston Depth --- Check
Thanks for this info guys! Thumbs Up
I'm using a mechanic I've never used before. He has a good reputation but I've never had him do any work for me. Never can hurt to know what to ask & look for.
Kevin
Brake Light '79 Corvette (18/20)
 10/29/09 4:24pm
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Well, it's done!
First, the parts store got ahold of an incorrect Master. The thing had one of those plastic fluid reservoirs; it looked way too modern, so back it went.
The correct Master ($75.00 for a brand new Wagner) arrived yesterday. On it went this morning.
The Corvette stops as it should. Thumbs Up
 
When I am able to use the mechanic I normally use, I watch him do the job and ask him questions along the way (I buy him lunch for this priveledge).
This new mechanic simply called and told me it was done.
I asked him about the bench bleeding and he said he always does that. As far as the seal 'tween the Master and the Booster, he said there were "no other issues."
My gut and his reputation tell me the job was done correctly. And the car stops as it should.
 
Thank you for your suggestions and the "egimakation" on the brakes.
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Brake Light '79 Corvette (19/20)
 10/29/09 11:08pm
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Was the old master actually leaking, tho?

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Brake Light '79 Corvette (20/20)
 10/30/09 9:35pm
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Yeah, it was a goner.
I'm going to hang on to it and maybe someday take a crack at rebuilding it or just give it to anyone who needs to rebuild one.
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