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Updating Suspension (1/56)
 2/16/05 2:46pm
StreetShark
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I am looking to make some suspension and steering improvements to my 68 convertible.  I have seen products that exchange the front coils for fiberglass leaves, convert the steering to a rack and pinion, and any number of bushing and sway bar changes.  My question is what works.  I really want to drive my car every day, but I will still thrash it every chance I get.  My first vette was a 94 coupe, coilovers were the rage with it.  Bottom line is this stuff is expensive, I don't want to have to buy something twice.
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 2/16/05 3:51pm
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Hey.  I upgraded my suspension with the VBP Street and Slalom kit this past summer.  I also replaced the rubber bushings with polyurethane bushings.  To me, it was a huge improvement.  I don't kill it when I'm driving, but its handling is a lot better.  I hear going to 17" wheels also makes a huge difference in handling and response, so that is also on my to-do list.  The switch to the rear composite spring was really nice... especially considering the weight savings it made.  I stuck with the front coils, but switched them to 550#.  Haven't gone after steering yet, but that is also on the list.

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 2/16/05 3:57pm
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Hey, VTHokie77Vette
just checked out your web site.  You have been busy.  I really like the 383, but ia am going to work the suspension before the engine.  The street and slalom kit looks pretty good, I am just thinking that I could get the max performance package and replace my a-arms and everything with just the one kit.  I am deployed to the middle-east right know, spending my free time trying to figure out which project to do first.
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 2/16/05 9:07pm
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I have changed everything under the front end of my 75. The vettebrake slalom thing 550 springs as well as 17" wheels with BF Goodrich G-Force tires.  Rack&Pinion steering the works.  YES IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH EXCEPT WOW!!!!!!  the only thing I would look in to is the new coil over sping set up.  But I have no regets.  Also anyone who drives my car just raves on how good it handels.. HOPE this helps 
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 2/17/05 9:17am
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I've been thinking about doing things a lot like George's 75 to my 75. I have looked at the composite spring for the front (replacing the coils) but as stated earlier, it is pretty expensive.

Has anyone else ever replaced the front coils with a composite?

Glenn



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 2/18/05 4:31am
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what composit spring for the front? haven't heard of that one. anyone got any info?
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 2/18/05 4:57am
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[QUOTE=Flemgunner]what composit spring for the front? haven't heard of that one. anyone got any info?
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vettebrakes sells a conversion kit to run a composite transverse monospring on the front..

basically a c5 front suspension in a c3..  i think it runs around 750$



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 2/18/05 6:47pm
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VB&P sells a performane plus package (the same basic package is sold by Mid America and by Ecklers, 1 w/rear sway, 1 w/o).  It has composite front and rear springs like the C-4.  It is about $2000.00, but comes with everything.  What I would like to know is wheather or not the handling and ride are worth the money.  Anybody have one of these set-ups?
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 3/10/05 9:13pm
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StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1913

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http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1915

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http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1916

All forum members get free shipping if they live in the 48 states. Let me know if you have any questions.

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 3/10/05 9:23pm
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One thing not mentioned above and did improve the way my convertible feels was the Vette Brakes Spreader bar. It is placed between the upper a-arms and stiffens the front end up some. You could make your own but for around $95 you can buy thiers and bolt it in. I am happy with mine. 
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 3/10/05 9:56pm
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Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me!
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 3/11/05 1:08am
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Hey everyone, really appreciate the input.  I can't wait to get home from Afghanistan and start makiing some serious improvements to my classic shark.  My list seems to grow everytime I think about it.  From the suspension to an all MSD ignition, complete new interior, maybe paint.  Anyway, I thank you for the ideas.  I had thought the mono front spring may be a little bouncy, so coilovers may be better.  Anybady else have any experience with the front mono spring?  I am not going home for a few more months, still plenty of time for me to figure this all out just right....
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 3/11/05 1:18am
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I checked out the VB&P website, their kits are not for coilover setups, just high performance convention GM.  I read some feedback about the coilover setup by speeddirect (steeroids maker).  The owner said the coilover said up was harsh and unresponsive, difficult to install.  What do youall think about the pros and cons of a coilover system?
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 3/11/05 8:36am
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[QUOTE=gellisvette]Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me![/QUOTE]

George, did the 550 front springs lower it? I'm working on my suspension as we speak. Just bought the rack and pinion kit and new trailing arms, etc. I want to get the front end down without cutting the coils. Any ideas?

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 3/11/05 9:53am
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The 550 lb coils will lower the car a little bit.  I think they lowered my front end about an inch or something like that.  I think I have it written down on a notepad in the garage at home.

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 3/11/05 10:30am
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[QUOTE=Van Steel]

StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1913

Advanced Street & Slalom

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1915

Super Performance Plus Kit

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1916

All forum members get free shipping if they live in the 48 states. Let me know if you have any questions.

Dan

  

I've purchased sway bars,trailing arms etc.  from you ...quite pleased. How hard is it to install the semi-coilovers in a BB 68? I've replaced most of the suspension except the frt springs.

Alan

 

 

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 3/11/05 10:39am
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How to install a Vette Brakes Spreader Bar.

This is what I was talking about. I have posted it on here before but you can actually see one in the pics I put in there.
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 3/11/05 11:40am
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[QUOTE=knotacare][QUOTE=Van Steel]

StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1913

Advanced Street & Slalom

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1915

Super Performance Plus Kit

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1916

All forum members get free shipping if they live in the 48 states. Let me know if you have any questions.

Dan

  

I've purchased sway bars,trailing arms etc.  from you ...quite pleased. How hard is it to install the semi-coilovers in a BB 68? I've replaced most of the suspension except the frt springs.

Alan

 

 

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It is very easy to install my semi-coilovers and they ARE NOT the same as speeddirect.com coilovers.

The only thing you have to do is drill the shock nuts out to a 3/8" OD hole and install them like you would w/your stock coil spring setup. It's very easy.
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 3/11/05 11:42am
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[QUOTE=Eddie 70]One thing not mentioned above and did improve the way my convertible feels was the Vette Brakes Spreader bar. It is placed between the upper a-arms and stiffens the front end up some. You could make your own but for around $95 you can buy thiers and bolt it in. I am happy with mine.  [/QUOTE]

I agree, the spreader bar is a good investment. You can buy them cheaper than $95.
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 3/11/05 12:03pm
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[QUOTE=gellisvette]Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me![/QUOTE]

They do have good products. I should know, I sell their products and do all of their rebuilding for them as well as Ecklers, Corvette Central and Corvette America just to name a few.
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 3/11/05 3:27pm
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Hey, I have always liked coilovers, and with everything I have heard about the mono leaf spring, I think I am going to go with your super performance plus kit.  What about the ball joints and contol arm bushings, and all the rest of those suspension parts?  I am wanting to rebuild as much as possible with all new stuff.  I should be taking this job on sometime in September, if all works out right.  Also, with your setup, the ride height is completely adjustable.

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 3/11/05 3:49pm
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Unfortunely the tubular a-arms are not strong enough and thays why we don't have them in the kit. If you wanted to rebuild your lowers and use the tubular uppers you could do that. The uppers will give you more caster than the stock uppers will. I could rebuild your lower a-arms and drill out the holes for you if you want to go that route. Everything else is in the kit like the idler arm, tie rod ends and sleeves, front sway bar links, ect, ect.
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 3/11/05 7:52pm
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Answer to how far did my front end drop?  Mine actually dropped 1&1/2 Inches from my stock springs but my front end set up fairly high to start with.  The 17" wheels and tires fill the wheel well just right with no rubbing.  Hope this helps.

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 3/11/05 10:03pm
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Streetshark,

I forgot to mention that this kit is adjustable. You can get about a 2" drop w/the semi-coilovers. Plus you can adjust the ride by simply turning a knob of the shock body. It has 12 points of adjust ment so you can stiffen the spring or soften the spring. You want to hit the track, reach under the car and turn the knob and when you go back to the street turn the knob back and it will soften up the shocks.

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 3/12/05 11:14am
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I have spoken with quite a few guys that restore C3s for a living.

They all say that if you completely rebuild the entire front and rear suspension to the way it came from the factory that you will be amazed at how well the car handles and rides.

The car will always ride pretty hard unless you go through the trouble of changing the solid body mounts to rubber like the 73 and up cars. This is not a straight change out however and will effect the ride height.

If you are looking for peformance depends on what you want to spend. You are talking to the right people at VBP and VanSteel.

Off set trailing Arms will allow bigger and wider tires and that alone will be a huge inprovement just by getting more rubber on the road. Look at how wide the tires are on  the new c6s and how low a profile they are too. To eliminate body roll replace all rubber bushings with poly. The ride will be harsh.

To improve steering change over to steeroids or for the ultimate you can have a c ustom built C5 chassis and suspension built so you can drop the C3 body right on and handle like a new vette with the beauty of our bumper cars.

Have fun when you return.

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 3/12/05 11:16am
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[QUOTE=gellisvette]

Answer to how far did my front end drop?  Mine actually dropped 1&1/2 Inches from my stock springs but my front end set up fairly high to start with.  The 17" wheels and tires fill the wheel well just right with no rubbing.  Hope this helps.

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Those 17" wheels look great! Very tempting.

 

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 3/24/05 3:10pm
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IYesterday i received my new composite leaf spring from Van Steel (I`m lucky enough to have these guys in my back yard) New Koni`s from Ecklers arrived this morning.I`m going to tackle this job tommorrow.Haven`t turn a wrench in a long time though.But , with the price of labor these days i figured i better dust off the tool box, is`nt that one of the reasons we own these cars anyway?

 As soon as I can figure it out I`ll post a pic .

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 3/24/05 8:32pm
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Just one correction. 

Installing the rubber body mounts instead of the solid mounts will NOT raise the ride height.  It WILL raise the body height.  There is a difference.

Raising the body will allow more clearance between the tires and the body. It does not affect the suspension. It only affects the center of gravity slightly. The vehicle frame is the same height from the ground.

Raising the ride height will change the suspension geometry, and thus change the handling and alignment postitions.  It requires a realignment.  It has a greater effect on the center of gravity.  There is a difference in frame to ground measurement.

Just had to be accurate.  It can make a difference in what you are doing.

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 4/18/05 10:30am
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I just completed the VBP transverse front spring and the Steeroids rack and pinion conversion on my "81. The only driving I've done so far is the ten miles to the alignment shop. It's there now - as soon as it gets back, I'll let you know how I like it.
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 4/18/05 10:54am
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I'm also looking at the VBP super performance plus kit, for my 70, and I always love hearing other people's testimonies.  prolly do that spreader bar, too.  just to clarify, the performance plus kit does NOT come with front coil-overs, I'll have to buy those seperate to replace the shocks in the kit?

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 4/18/05 11:27am
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Street Shark, If you are on the ground in Afghanastan my hat is off to you! Thank you for what you are doing. I was A/D with the 5th 34 years ago in the 'Nam. Good luck, good hunting, Godspeed and when you get back I want to meet you in Bowling Green with your Shark and buy you a beer ( or a bunch of them) Thanks from a greatful Green Weenie! Once a Greenie always a Greenie!

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 4/18/05 2:14pm
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Swallace, love to see you in KY.  I can't hardly wait to get home and start working on my car.  I have wanted one since I was a teenager, I have a lot of dreams to fulfill with that car.  Glad to hear you served, I was in 5th during the mid 90's, 7th during Just Cause, back over here with 7th again.  "De Oppresso Liber"

Hoover, can't wait to hear how your ride comes out.  Several members have purchased the steeroids option recently, only a few seem to have the monospring, really looking forward to the results.

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 4/20/05 9:02am
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First of all, Street Shark, Thank you for your service to our country. Get home safe. As far as the VBP transverse front spring and the steeroids rack and pinion, one word - FANTASTIC! If you're into handling, these upgrades will make you wonder what happened to your old shark with the loose steering and suspension. I got a chance to flog the car a little yesterday on the twisties and I'll tell you that it will handle with my brother's '92. Both kits are both bolt-on and straight-forward. Also very good quality parts beautifully powder coated. It took me a lot longer than it should only because I had to remove my headers for the rack and also did other stuff while I was in there. Also, I went for new VBP upper and lower control arms. You can get a kit with just the spring and use your old arms. Or go with the spring and new lower arms. I replaced the uppers too and glad I did. Hey, what's a little more money? Here are the other handling upgrades I've done over the past couple years - rebuilt rear suspension with poly bushings and 330lb monoleaf spring from VBP. Pirelli Scorpion Zero 255/60R/15 Tires, Bilstien shocks all around. Now I have the shark styling I love with new car handling!
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 4/20/05 12:29pm
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That is awesome!  New car ride and handling, classic shark stylin'.  I am going to go all out on this with the full kit!  After I get the suspension in place, I will go after the steeroids advantage, mine has manuel steering and I have to get everything for the power steering in adition to the rack and pinion kit, so that will come after.  First thing I have to do is a complete interior.  Mine is completely trashed.  By Fall I should be all set.  If my wife gives me enough time to work on the beast.  After being gone this long the honey do list must be huge.

 

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 4/22/05 7:25am
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Charlevoix, MI - USA

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Gotta have your priorities - do the Corvette first! (easy for me to say). By the way, Steeroids makes rack and pinion kits for manual steering cars, in case you want to stay that way. Check out their website - speeddirect.com. Also, a word on the transverse front spring - I love the ride but it's firm. It's also adjustable, though and I'm at the second to stiffest setting (out of four possible). Also ride height is adjustable on that spring as well as the monoleaf I have in the rear. Anyway, let us know what you end up doing and how you like it!
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 4/23/05 3:56am
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the super performance plus kit from VBP, does that eliminate our nasty IRS setup and switch over to a 4-link?  I'm looking for a way to get more of my power/torque from the flywheel down to the ground, as well as improving the ride and handling.

Also, right not, getting up to about 95 and over on the highway, she feels like she starts to sway a little bit and I have to fight the steering wheel to keep her under control.  Would you say this is due to the suspension only, or could I fix it by tightening up the steering?



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 4/24/05 5:15pm
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I'm looking at the VBP catalog and it doesn't look like the kit  eliminates the IRS - only upgrades parts of it. You'd end up rebuilding trailing arms,too. (They're a bitch but would need to be done if they haven't been.) I'd give VBP a call and see if this is right for you. Van Steel also does a lot of suspension/steering stuff. They would be a good source of products and info. Also, get their video on suspension rebuilds if you plan to do the work yourself. $20 well spent. As far as the handling - have you done anything to the front suspension/steering or is it original? Could be worn out components or needing alignment or both. Hope this helps.
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 4/25/05 12:14am
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haven't touched the suspension, only the engine...I'd be looking for a way to get rid of the IRS...is there any way to do this short of spending 7 grand or more on the conversion to C4-style suspension?

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 4/25/05 3:15am
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Why get rid of the IRS? That is what makes the vette so great is its handling. Anyways if you change To a C-4 style suspension you still have IRS. Independent Rear Suspension is critical to good handling. If you dont belive me go drive a camaro of the same year and take some sharp turns and you will see the big difference in solid rear axle handling to a vette IRS. If your looking for a 10 second vette then, yes I would see tubbing out the back and putting in a 4 link drag set up. But you will destroy your handling. It would only be good at straight line launches. A C-4 suspension swap would improve the handling on turns and twists but is definitly bad for an all out drag racer. There are Big differences in suspensions on a SCCA autocross Racer and a NHRA car. VBP kits are meant to improve the handling of the car during sharp turns. serious drag racing is not there intent when the kits were designed.
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 4/28/05 12:43pm
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Street Shark, Where are you dude. haven't heard anuthing from you in a few. Get on the forum. The old green weenie needs to know you ok dude!

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 4/28/05 2:03pm
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Stage One of my suspension project is about to begin...

1. I just recieved the Steeroids Rack conversion (but will put that on second)

2. Expect new offset Trailing arms from VanSteel in a couple of weeks.

As soon as the T-Arms are done, the R&P will be going in. I also plan to do the front transverse monospring, but that will be waiting till I save up some more cash

I will be taking pics for all of you to look at too.



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 4/28/05 7:32pm
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PERRYSBURG, OH - USA

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1975 T-Tops,Lite Custom work,Many engine mod. 700R4 trans. body is shaved,17" wheels bf goodrich g-force tires,heavy sway bars front&rear rack&pinion steering,550 slolom springs with gas shocks.


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Once you put your TA in you may as well get the RP installed this will save you a buck or two in wheel allinements. That way they can do your front and rear at the same time

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 4/29/05 5:52am
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Yep, I was thinking the same thing!

 



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 4/29/05 7:44am
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Don't forget if you get the transverse spring kit with the new lower A-Arms, you'll need another alignment. There's a kit that uses your old A-Arms though. Let us know how this project goes. Sounds like what I did with the exception off the offset trailing arms. I couldn't be happier with the results.
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 4/29/05 8:57am
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Sorry - did I say lower arms? I meant upper - if you replace those, too. Then you need alignment not with replacing lowers. 
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 4/29/05 10:48am
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Hey Swallace, we are still kicking butt, sent you a PM.

 

Hoover, your results sound great, I am starting to dream about disassembly of a Corvette front end.  I rebuilt my pickup with Eibach racing springs and Nitro shocks, that was pretty hard work, for my torch that is.  Anyway, did you have anytrouble with frozen bolts, I do not want to catch my car on fire.  Anyway, sounds like you have had a lot of fun working on and driving the vette.  Do you notice any bounce with the mono spring up front?  Someone said that it made the front end bounce around like a basketball. 

Youall take care now,

 

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 4/29/05 2:42pm
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I recently installed Energy Suspension bushings,Vette brakes dual mount front & rear composite monosprings,spreader bar,and 17 x 8" American Racing TT2's wheels on Kumho 245-45-17" tires.The 79 Vette now sits about 1.5" lower all the way around.Just put in new black carpet & seat covers with new embroidered flags logos last weekend too I have some brand new 17 x 8" American Eagle TT2 knock-offs with the correct bolt pattern and 4" BS for sale,if anyones interested! C3RVETTE38471.4893634259

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 4/29/05 4:04pm
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Street Shark - didn't have any problems with frozen bolts in the front. The passenger's side front mounting bolt for the upper A-Arm was impossible to get a wrench on without disassembling the car. I used the trusty sawsall and cut it off, then tapped it out. I was going to use new bolts anyway. A different story if you plan on removing and rebuilding your trailing arms in the rear susp. The bolts that hold those on are usually a real bitch. In the words of another C3 forum member "I'd rather have my ass kicked than do that again!" It's worth doing, though, if you want to replace the rubber bushings on them. Bring the sawsall to this party, too. Unless you get lucky and can tap them out. Other than that, I had pretty smooth sailing front and rear. The Van Steel video on front and rear suspension is a must - you can get it from Corvette Central.
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 4/29/05 4:09pm
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Oh - as far as the ride with the front monospring - it's noticably firmer than the old coils. Not bouncy at all, though. I have it adjusted to the second firmest setting - I can go down two notches softer but haven't tried those yet. Road handling is excellent.
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 4/30/05 4:03am
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Hey Hoover thanks, again I can't wait to get home.  I guess no matter how hard it is, it is an experience that I will enjoy, better than eating dust from a sand storm, I guarantee.

Hey C3RVETTE, how about some pics, I would like to see how your ride looks with the lowered suspension and 17in wheels.

 

 

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 4/30/05 9:20am
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Kingston, TN - USA

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1970 Vert Both Tops Kiesler 5 Speed Steeroids Rack and Pinion Stayfast Convertible Top


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I remember someone is working on making a coil over set up for the rear suspension. Something else to think about. 
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