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I never make things easy, either (1/27)
 4/10/10 9:44am
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I fear I may upset some purists here, but the over-riding view on this site has always been "build it the way you want it," so here goes.  And I'll apologize up front - I'm not known for my brevity
 
When I was looking for a Corvette to buy, I looked for a 74 because I wanted a convertible, but I always loved the 80-82 body style and my thought was that with the rubber bumpers, and not chrome, a conversion to the 80-82 style (nose and tail) would be much easier.  Once I got my car and it was so original, I thought that I shouldn't mess with it.  Over the years, the word "yet" has often slipped into that thought.
 
I've had some chips on the nose of my car since I got it from it being pulled in to something too close.  Nothing too bad, but last year, as I was washing it, a bigger chip came out.  I decided then that I would get the nose re-painted this year.  I've taken it for a couple of estimates, and one shop said they wanted to remove the nose piece to repair some stress cracks all around it before painting.  That made me nervous, but it also got me thinking.
 
I reviewed all of my catalogs, and I've found one - Corvette Central - that has a 80-82 Style Front Bumper that is a direct fit for a 74 (if you're aware of other vendors, please let me know).  I don't need a new nose piece, but again, I've always wanted that style and I'm now thinking that if I'm going to spend the money on painting the nose, why not make it look like I want - otherwise, I feel like if I make the changeover decision later, I've wasted the money on this repair.  And judging by e-bay, once I replace the nose, I can sell my current one to re-coup some of the cost.   
 
Now that I'm going down that road (of thinking - no decision has been made), I'm also wondering what to do about the "spoiler" look of the 82 (just nose - not worrying about the rear end just now).  This piece from CC (143102 if you want to look) is just the nose - not the spoiler.  Could I go with the "Indy" 78 style spoiler?  I've always thought those looked cheap.  No offense, but after seeing the smooth lines of the 80, that bolt on spoiler just never looked clean to me.  I don't think I want to do that.  Even if I could get a shop to blend the line, it's still not the same look as the 80.  What to do...?  By the way, the direct fit piece for a 74 is about 10% more than the whole 80-82 tru-flex bumper they sell.  And the direct fit is just the nose - no spoiler effects down the front or side.
 
Three more things.  The nose, tail and front fenders on my car are not original, so I'm not destroying history by changing any of them.  While I've dreamed about taking the car to Bloomington Gold to get Survivor judged, I just don't see doing that anymore.  I've made some changes and I'd like to make more.  Plus, with that idea of making changes down the road, what good would a Survivor award do then?  Plus, Survior judging is EXPENSIVE!  Lastly, I'll throw in the fact that I recently came in to some money from a bonus at work and while I was hoping to keep most of it for some "mad money" down the road, I think I could take care of the front end with it at this point and still have some left.
 
So, here are the options as I see them
 
1.  Just get the darn nose painted as the car sits and down the road do something else if I like
2.  Go with the 80-82 nose for now and nothing else (except paint, of course) - ie, no spoiler changes  (I like this idea but just don't know how it will look)
3.  Go with the 80 nose and an Indy spoiler glassed in to the fenders to eliminate the line (I think this is my least favorite option - I just never liked those add on spoilers)
4.  Try to find a body shop with fiberglass experience that can take a true 80-82 nose and either
     a.  Cut that nose to fit around my fenders and 'glass it all together (eliminate the lines) or
     b.  (you may want to sit down for this) cut my fenders to let the 80-82 nose slip in and look like a true later model front end
 
I know many of you will say - "do what you want," but I'm still interested in your opinions.  Have you seen (m)any cars that have done a true conversion like this?  Any pictures?  I've been going through my pictures from shows and I'm not seeing anything.  I know what I want the car to look like, but finding a shop that can make that happen is also a concern. 
 
Thanks for taking the time to read my manifesto.  I'm looking forward to your responses.
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I never make things easy, either (2/27)
 4/10/10 10:02am
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How long will you be keeping this car?
What does the boss think?
 
And me being a 80's styles sharkantic, those 80 vert conversions really turn heads, remember the copper one Tux wanted? Just the other day I seen one on here and it was sweet.
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 4/10/10 10:05am
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I plan on keeping the car as long as I can drive it.  As surprising as this sounds, I have been told by the real boss that I am the boss of this money and I can spend as I like!  Ring ring?  What's that I hear?

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 4/10/10 10:22am
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OK then that was easy, do it all and drive it!

I would glass it all as I hate the seams. Not to discourge or scare you but YOUR CAR IS SILVER! all the paint guys will no what I mean.

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 4/10/10 12:20pm
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As far as the body work goes, I am one of those purists. However, I also know whatever you do can be undone. Having said that, I think you should do whatever excites you. After all, these C3s are meant to bring joy to our lives. As long as we keep them on the road so that the younger folks get a chance to see this part of automotive history, I am good with it.
 
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 4/10/10 12:49pm
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Yeah, I have to agree with what Scott says. Most of us will never have the funds to do that kind of work to our rides, so we'll have to be happy with what we have, and that's not really a disappointment but, if we did have the financing Big smile.........who knows ? Wink 

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 4/10/10 6:23pm
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As long as you enjoy it that's all that matters! That thing will look sweet! Best of luck!

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 4/10/10 8:57pm
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Build your dream car Marshall!!  Thats what I did...Wink LukesVette2010-04-10 17:57:42
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 4/10/10 9:02pm
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[QUOTE=LukesVette] Build your dream car Marshall!!  Thats what I did...Wink [/QUOTE]
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 4/10/10 9:08pm
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Alrighty---I'll be the guy who says "nay". Ouch

I think your 74 Vert is just awesome the way it is! I love the simple, clean lines of the nose just the way they made it.

I'm not a big fan of the add on front spoiler either but then again a PC would look funny without one. (Confused?)
The 80-92 front ends are nice looking on an 80-82 ,IMO.
 
So there! Big smile
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 4/10/10 9:13pm
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Kev......get some sleep tonight.....who stole your bone???LOL
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 4/10/10 11:11pm
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Why stop with just the front bumper?  Why not replace the whole front clip with one from an '80-'82?  That may be easier than trying to integrate the front bumper.  Then you could go to the next level of making it tilt up like a C4 for easier access to the engine bay.  The sky is the limit...!!!

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 4/11/10 8:58am
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I have always liked the look of the 80-82 Vettes and it sucks they didn't make any verts. I would make sure all of the suspension and drive line are 100% first, but then go for it, make it your own.
 
You may want to look around ACI's site or bounce your ideas off of them: http://www.acivette.com/


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 4/11/10 10:14am
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Why not take the bonus money and buy an 80?
Instead of hacking and cutting up a 74 to look like an 80?

Then you would have 2 Vettes!

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I never make things easy, either (15/27)
 4/11/10 10:22am
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[QUOTE=Willis76]I have always liked the look of the 80-82 Vettes and it sucks they didn't make any verts. I would make sure all of the suspension and drive line are 100% first, but then go for it, make it your own.
 
You may want to look around ACI's site or bounce your ideas off of them: http://www.acivette.com/
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 4/11/10 2:09pm
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LOL.... Brother Marshall ya know whut I am gonna say dont'cha?

Go fiberglass..... go with want ya want..... glass it in....

I did mine and have never had any regrets. I agree with choosing ACI glass products. They have a direct fit for your car. My front is ACI and it fit very nicely. It is something you can prefit and hang prior to the body shop (if you have time) and save a few bucks.

Once you decide I'll help you as we talked find a shop to paint it.

EBO is correcto-mundo about silver and the match work. Alot will depend on the paint that is on your car. (type, age, availablity)

But if you have the time and $$$ anything is possible.

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 4/12/10 5:16am
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Dennis, thanks for the tip on ACI.  I went to their site and saw some interesting things - I'll try to give them a call.

John and Jim - the bonus (essentially) was for 'employee of the year' not "Employee of the decade" so while it was nice, not enough to cover a new car.  Jim, it would allow me to get a one piece front end (and perhaps even a stinger hood), but it might not leave much for the ensuing body work and paint.

The best advice/insight (and worst news to me) came from ebo and tux on the point that as hard as silver can be to match (especially being probably 10+ years old), it might require a full paint job to be done if I go anywhere past the nose itself (options 1 or 2).  Oh well, if that's to be, then I guess the '80-82 tail would have to go on now too....
 
This could end up being a really extreme case of 'while I'm here...' syndrome!
 
Then again, if I have to paint, who says it has to stay silver....Ermm


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 4/12/10 12:26pm
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I agree on the color problem, seem many of them that have needed lots a TLC. Do not forget the two piece rear bumper is a "ONE OF" so keeping it might be a determining factor. If mama says it is OK, go for the entire car if you want a up-grade. Then you can take two to the get togethers! After all this is AMERICA, build it like you want it.  Lots of them have hidden things changed and think nothing of it. Why not change the cosmetics?  I say GO FOR IT.

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 4/12/10 12:53pm
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There are "bolt on" pseudo bumper covers for the earlier rubber bumper cars, to make them look like the '80-'82 cars. You WILL have to remove the steel front bumper tho...at least the one's that I have done this on required it to be removed. That leaves you with NO protection in the front.
The rear covers have also required some "modifications" to the rear aluminuminum bumper, and supports, but you don't have to completely remove it.

I hate to see ya do this to a low mileage car, but...it IS your car, and you can do what ya want, and...it CAN be returned to "original" if you stay with the bolt on stuff, and don't glass it in...
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 4/12/10 8:00pm
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[QUOTE=Adams' Apple]

I hate to see ya do this to a low mileage car, but...it IS your car, and you can do what ya want, and...it CAN be returned to "original" if you stay with the bolt on stuff, and don't glass it in...
You did ax for opinions...

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I'm, and this is my personal opinion, with Joel on this one. On one side of it i look at the small amount of '74 verts made and wonder how many are left in any degree of original condition. I've seen your car, Marshall, and it is a very nice ride. On the other side of it you look at some of them sweet big buck C2 restomods at shows and you just stand there and drool.  I think if there were no mods at car shows it might get boring after a while.
But, you own it so it's all your call.
If you're going to buy parts, glass them in, and paint the entire car, I would think that kind of money would go a long ways towards finding a nice '80-82 in todays market.
And if you don't have room in the garage for another Vette the wifes car can sit outside.Smile
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 4/12/10 10:17pm
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I have seen your car and it is great as is, but if you like the 80-82 nose and tail bolt 'em on; you can remove them later if you like. It's your car to do with as you please; after all I put a SS nose on my '06 Crew Cab and I love it. 
 
 


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 4/12/10 10:22pm
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 I have seen your car and it is great as is, but if you like the 80-82 nose and tail bolt 'em on; you can remove them later if you like. It's your car to do with as you please; after all I put a SS nose on my '06 Crew Cab and I love it. 
 


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 4/12/10 10:43pm
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My view is this:  Original means just that.  It is the way it came from the factory.  I chose to keep my 81 as original as I can.  No use messing with a good thing!!  I love the "shark" body style.  I could not find Billy Mitchell's shark to buy, so I got the next best thing!!  Ta-Daaaaaa the 1981 Great White Shark!!  See ya all in Holland with the shark!!
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 4/13/10 5:00am
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I do appreciate all of the comments - even the ones that go against the direction I'm thinking - really.  I don't like the idea of cutting fenders (even though they are not original) and I do like the idea of trying to figure out how to make any changes reversible.  A full front end (without tilt-up, Norsky) would get me that, but not sure that's where I want to go.  I've been surfing e-bay for some cheap 80 front fenders, but no luck so far.

I DID find a picture of a 74 (not a convertible) that had the 80-82 style nose added with no other modifications (no spoilers, etc).  Now I have some idea what it would look like if I went simple:

 http://www.ridelust.com/corvettes/1974-corvette/

What do you think?
 
I also spoke on the phone to the folks at ACI yesterday (along with some regional midwest restoration shops) and I have an appointment to talk to a local restoration place later this week.  Just trying to get as much info as possible.  No decisions made yet


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Personally - As long as its not a super rare car and your keeping it, do what makes ya happy BUT I really like the 74 as-is...  If ya ever get a jonsing for an 81, I'll trade ya!   Going against all wisdom, I went NUTS w/my 81. I have over 33k in the car.  Its your car build it to love it and enjoy!
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