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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (1/20)
 12/6/06 12:16pm
Adam WartellLifetime Member
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First, I'd like to apologize for the site being down for the past 12+ hours. Second, I'd like to apologize for the loss of data, which was beyond my control (unfortunately).

Here's what happened...
Over the past week, the site has had many problems communicating with the database server (the computer where the forum posts and membership information is kept). This was causing occasional errors that were often seen by users of the site.  The database server C3VR uses is "shared" with other sites.  That means the computer where the database is stored is also being used by other websites at the same time.  I had a suspicion that the other sites were causing the errors on C3VR's site.

So I called my website hosting company to see what could be done about it.  I asked if C3VR's database could be moved to a different computer. They agreed to move it.  I was told it would take 1-2 hours.  So around 9pm last night, we brought the site down to do the move of the database.  Well, it took over 3 hours and once it came back up, it was discovered that they had lost some data in the process.  After talking with them again this morning, they said there was an error when then backed up the database as of 9pm last night and therefore could not rebuild the database on the new computer with current data.  They had to go back to the last backup.

This is were the next problem is.  The data they restored is from 8pm AZT Monday 12/4.  That means that anything that happened on here between 8pm Monday and 6pm AZT Tuesday is lost.  If you posted a thread or reply to a thread during that time period, it will have to be reposted by you if you can remember what you wrote and on which threads you wrote it.  If people signed up during that time, that too was lost.  If people upgraded or renewed their membership during that time, that was lost. If you wrote or replied to a Private Message, that was lost.  If you voted in the C3 show, that was lost.  Pretty much anything that you actively participated in was lost.

I am extremely unhappy about this as I'd expect most of you to be.  This was not something that I had control over.  If I had control over it, it would not have happened this way. I am sorry for the downtime and I'm sorry for the loss of data.  I am looking into having a database server that is all our own and I'd be in full control of.  It will be expensive, so I have to look at all my options.
 
On the upside, if this move does what I expect it will, we should no longer see the errors that have been occurring over the past week.

I thank you for your understanding and support.

Please let me know if you have any questions.



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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (2/20)
 12/6/06 12:30pm
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Abilene, TX - USA

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try Rack Space
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (3/20)
 12/6/06 12:33pm
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Adam, I don't know if it's my computer or not, but every link to the left of your post (in "Featured Links") seems to be dead.
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (4/20)
 12/6/06 12:37pm
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1965-327 coupe, 1968-small block coupe, 1969-427, 1971-454 coupe and currently a 1976-ZZ4 coupe reborn again,and hotter than ever.. Add a 1996 CE LT-4 for backup


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Sorry Adam about the mental anguish all will be OK..Thumbs%20Up
 
P.S. I think I lost 5 votes on the car show that would put me in tie with Adams AppleShocked..Not..   LOL
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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (5/20)
 12/6/06 12:38pm
Adam WartellLifetime Member
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[QUOTE=Crush2]Adam, I don't know if it's my computer or not, but every link to the left of your post (in "Featured Links") seems to be dead.[/QUOTE]
 
It may be your set up. Those links are working for me.  You have to make sure that new pop-up windows are allowed.  Try holding down your CTRL key while you click the link.  If that doesn't work, please expand on what you mean by "Dead".  What exactly happens when you click on it?  Does a new window pop-up?  If so, what is in the window? etc.
 
Thanks!


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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (6/20)
 12/6/06 12:39pm
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"Featured Link" are working on my PC.

Things happen which we have no control over.  Glad to have the site back up!!
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (7/20)
 12/6/06 12:54pm
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1971 convertible,375 HP 350ci,Muncie 4-speed,Edelbrock aluminum heads and RPM air-gap manifold,HEI distrubiter - old school mechanical tach drive. LOUD side exhaust!


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Sorry to hear about the problems. Even when you know what you are doing, database upgrades and moves can be a pain. Sounds like their techs are just average. Whenever I do database maintenace, I take the database offline, make a backup, and then check it. Having it under your control will be a very good thing.Wink
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (8/20)
 12/6/06 1:47pm
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SOLD - "The Toy" - '70 Convertible
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[QUOTE=Adam Wartell]
[QUOTE=Crush2]Adam, I don't know if it's my computer or not, but every link to the left of your post (in "Featured Links") seems to be dead.[/QUOTE]
 
It may be your set up. Those links are working for me.  You have to make sure that new pop-up windows are allowed.  Try holding down your CTRL key while you click the link.  If that doesn't work, please expand on what you mean by "Dead".  What exactly happens when you click on it?  Does a new window pop-up?  If so, what is in the window? etc.
 
Thanks!
[/QUOTE]
 
 
All five links popped up in new windows for me.  But three of the five links returned the dreaded  "The page cannot be displayed" info page.
 
I'll try again later.


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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (9/20)
 12/6/06 1:48pm
Adam WartellLifetime Member
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If you continue to get those dead links, please right click the link, copy the shortcut, then let me know what it is.  Thanks!

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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (10/20)
 12/6/06 2:31pm
timgman
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I hate to say it but when running a critical app on windows... your going to have these things happen...
sqlserver is a pig ;)
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (11/20)
 12/6/06 3:17pm
jgoglickLifetime Member
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[QUOTE=timgman]I hate to say it but when running a critical app on windows... your going to have these things happen...
sqlserver is a pig ;)
[/QUOTE]
 
I've had mysql blow up real nice too.Pig
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (12/20)
 12/6/06 4:11pm
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Adam,
Don't worry, life goes on and so will this great site. Now if it was a black hole sucking the earth in, then I would worry.LOL I did have to recast my vote though.
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (13/20)
 12/6/06 5:00pm
Crush2
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[QUOTE=Norsky][QUOTE=Adam Wartell]
[QUOTE=Crush2]Adam, I don't know if it's my computer or not, but every link to the left of your post (in "Featured Links") seems to be dead.[/QUOTE]
 
It may be your set up. Those links are working for me.  You have to make sure that new pop-up windows are allowed.  Try holding down your CTRL key while you click the link.  If that doesn't work, please expand on what you mean by "Dead".  What exactly happens when you click on it?  Does a new window pop-up?  If so, what is in the window? etc.
 
Thanks!
[/QUOTE]
 
 
All five links popped up in new windows for me.  But three of the five links returned the dreaded  "The page cannot be displayed" info page.
 
I'll try again later.
[/QUOTE]
 
Ditto here.  3rd and 4th links worked fine (Amazon site), 1st, 2nd, 5th were as noted by Norsky.  Tried Ctrl and also rt-click "open in new window", same things happened.  Hmmm...
 
 
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (14/20)
 12/6/06 5:28pm
timgman
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[QUOTE=jgoglick][QUOTE=timgman]I hate to say it but when running a critical app on windows... your going to have these things happen...
sqlserver is a pig ;)
[/QUOTE]
 
I've had mysql blow up real nice too.Pig
[/QUOTE]
 
But it's so EASY to put a db back online....
 
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (15/20)
 12/6/06 5:58pm
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Compared to CorvetteForum's unexplainable crashes & errors our misfortune was a small blip in the greater scheme of things.
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (16/20)
 12/6/06 6:00pm
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[QUOTE=Barkingowl]Compared to CorvetteForum's unexplainable crashes & errors our misfortune was a small blip in the greater scheme of things.[/QUOTE]
 
I suppose that's true.  They get a heck of a lot more traffic than C3VR does.  So it makes sense that they'd have more trouble.  However, due to the relatively small amount of traffic C3VR gets... we shouldn't have any trouble.  But sharing the database server can certainly be a problem.
 
Hey... on the bright side, since the server switch was completed, I have not seen a single database communication error.  (knocking on wood)


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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (17/20)
 12/6/06 6:07pm
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[QUOTE=Adam Wartell]
I suppose that's true.  They get a heck of a lot more traffic than C3VR does.  So it makes sense that they'd have more trouble.  However, due to the relatively small amount of traffic C3VR gets... we shouldn't have any trouble.  But sharing the database server can certainly be a problem.

 

Hey... on the bright side, since the server switch was completed, I have not seen a single database communication error.  (knocking on wood)
[/QUOTE]

They may get a lot more traffic Adam but they don't have the quality of posts that we have here. They also have had continual support & software issues since I joined there in 1/02. I think that taking everything into consideration that one crash in the 3 years that I've been here is pretty dang good. Don't blame yourself for events beyond your control. I'm sure that no one blames you. I certainly don't.
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (18/20)
 12/6/06 7:08pm
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[/QUOTE]
 
But it's so EASY to put a db back online....
 
[/QUOTE]
 
In general terms, yes. It's when you run into unexpected problems when things can get challenging. Just like fixing a problem on a C3 is easy - in theory. But then problems start cascading and before you know it you have a big mess to fix.
ATTENTION: What happened to the site (19/20)
 12/6/06 7:23pm
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Oh Man,I lost the 35 votes for my car,Angry

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ATTENTION: What happened to the site (20/20)
 12/7/06 12:10pm
Adam WartellLifetime Member
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Well, it has been 24 hours since the site was brought back up and there has not been one communication error.  So, seems so far it was a good move! (despite the data loss)

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C4 Vette Registry, C6 Vette Registry

My first Vette, now owned by JB79:

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