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12/14/10 4:28pm - Original Message: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Here's two questions for the assembled masses.  I've plum worn out the Internet searching for the answers.  (Yup, if your web cruisin' has slowed to a snail's pace, it's MY fault this time!)  LOL
 
I recently purchased a B-M front clip (you know, the one with the fixed headlights).  This would pretty much complete my transformation to a clone. The original front clip and the repro B-M hood that comes with it are in transit from NJ to KC as we speak, nestled in a custom crate.  Need a plug here for two NJ members, Paul Lukas (Lukesvette) and BobOvette, both of whom were kind enough to offer help during the shipping process.  What a family this is!!  Hug
 
Question 1:  From what model car does the HEADLIGHT ASSEMBLY (e.g., bucket and chrome ring)come from to fit this front clip?
 
Question 2: They say the GILL SLITS were reversed (stick out, not in) on the side vents.  Any ideas for a source for these gill slits?  Will I have to mold my own?
 
So . . . here's your chance to show off yer stuff, you Baldwin-Motion experts. 
 
PS  If I get a reasonable offer for this clip and/or hood, I would consider selling them.  I got them for a REALLY GREAT PRICE. Otherwise . . . I'm just gunna be forced to perform major surgery on my ride.  Not looking forward to that exercise.  Mike
 
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12/14/10 5:34pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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1979, Targa Blue (72 Color), Pace Car rear spoiler, L88 hood, Dark blue factory interior, 525HP 406, HD 700R4, 370 gears,Steeroids, composite rear spring, TT IIs wrapped in T/A Radials.

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2. Correct, nut I don't know where you can get em....
 
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12/14/10 8:41pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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1969 daytona conv. all original 350 350 380 4 sp w/air..and hard top

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May I guess a 280Z headlight and lens cover..hard to tell with just a pic..like that hood..
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12/14/10 10:36pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Flanders, NJ - USA

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1982 Black, ZZ4, Hooker Side Pipes, 3.55 Rear, Rebuilt & upgraded 700R4, All new suspension, brakes, & new Charcoal interior.

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 This is from a mag article on B-M Corvettes:
The front end is radical, featuring scoops and headlight buckets that might be from a Datsun 240Z. Even Schorr didn't know. "Most of the cars came through without the covered headlights 'cause DMV rules and regs changed. So only a few of the early cars came through that way," he says.

Apparently, the taillamps are Firebird. The gas cap is LeMans-style. Wheels are Ansen. The bumper and grille are stock. The side louvers are stock but "flipped," and the hood is full custom, making another bold statement about performance.

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12/14/10 11:47pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light Multiple NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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Ben(cthulhu) had a front end like this one his '69 at one time. He might have some info, and maybe even some of the parts still...

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12/15/10 2:35pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Hot Springs, AR - USA

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69 Conv #'s Match 427/390, TKO-600, 3.36 HD Posi, T/T, PS, PB, Leather, Comp Mag 270 & Mag Pro Roller Rockers, Edel Air-Gap RPM, SpeedDemon 750 MS, MSD 6AL+Tach Dist+ Blaster SS+Wires, Holley Blue Fuel Pump, K&N, Jet-Hot Hooker Side-Pipes,Steeroids

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You can have my lights if you want to dissect them to see if you can match numbers. 

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12/16/10 10:29am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Leavenworth, KS - USA

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12/16/10 10:37am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Sykesville, MD - USA

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Hey, Ben, we haven't seen any updates in a while. Whats up?
 
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1/14/11 1:40am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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68 COUPE 454 HAS MOTION HOOD SCOOP, REVERSED GILLS ZL-1 FENDER FLARES AND MOTION REAR SPOILER, LEMAN'S GAS CAP, BUCKET HEADLIGHTS. CAN-AM FRONT RACING SPOILER. CHROME HOOKER HEADERS AND SIDE PIPES! 4 SPEED M20, LOOKS FAST STANDING STILL !!

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Hi Mike,
I just noticed this post.
As far as the headlights- I believe they are from the jag XKE.
the datsun 240 z was not yet made when Joel started using those headlights.

As far as the reverse gills, I believe Joel just turned them around originally, but then Motion had a set of front quarters with them that was sold though the catalouge. I have a set of front quarters that I bought 2 years ago from corvettes at carlisle. SORRY, NOT FOR SALE.. Unhappy  I was going to cut the gill portion out but could not bring myself to destroy them. I am saving them for the next project.
So i made my own reversed gills. you can see how i did it in my restoration listed with my signature. Let me know if it helps you.
I was tempted many times to buy that front end you have! I just wasn't ready for that big of project of replacing the front end.
I would enjoy seeing what you are doing.
hope this helped.
Joe
PS: please correct me if any of this info is incorrect.

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1/14/11 9:12am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Rosen did indeed actually cut out the fender louvers, and them flip them around so the "gills" would be sticking out. On the front end parts sold across the counter those vents were molded like that to start with, since the mold was taken from a front that had already been "Motion-ized".
The simple way to do this is to just cut the fender around the vents, and flip it around, and then glue it back together. Basically, just cut a square out around the vents...like cutting a hole in the wall or ceiling to install an A/C vent.
A little bonding glue, some grinding/filing, some putty, primer, and paint, and viola!


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1/14/11 11:03am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Leavenworth, KS - USA

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Thanx guys.  Since I don't have a 68-69, I don't have the gills to cut out.  And besides, my front clip is spoken for IF I go ahead with the project. Your explanation makes perfect sense.
 
As far as that goes, DaveM has convinced me NOT to go ahead with the Motion project.  Brought me to my senses.  So you can blame him!  Ermm Actually, I was torn between selling the clip or making the conversion. Thanks Dave . . . you da man!  And most of all, Robin thanks you!  Hug
 
The Motion front clip and B-M hood will go up for S-A-L-E.  Don't want to get rich off of the sale, but I do want to cover my costs, to include shipping.  Got a nice, professionally built crate to protect them.  Came from NJ with no problems. As you know if you follow The Bay, I bought the clip and hood for under $1,000.  The owner was asking $6,500 at one time.  Go figure.
 
I've also pretty much decided to sell the car this spring.  (Say it ain't so!!) Someone will get a good deal, as I've put a lot of time and $$ into this baby.  I may have a local buyer, but if that falls through, I'll offer it members first.  My first love has always been a C1, and I may jump back into a restoration if I can find the right car.
 
Thanks again for the advice and research.


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1/14/11 2:13pm - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Flanders, NJ - USA

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1982 Black, ZZ4, Hooker Side Pipes, 3.55 Rear, Rebuilt & upgraded 700R4, All new suspension, brakes, & new Charcoal interior.

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doh Geezzzz Mike, you need to make up your mind  Wacko . By now Robin must want you back in the Army Rolling On The Floor Laughing . Which is it you want a car you can drive or one that's a project?
Just kidding with ya, good luck with everything. I was hoping to see you at the gathering in May, any changes of that happining?
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3/13/11 2:32am - Reply: 'Baldwin-Motion Questions'
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Hot Springs, AR - USA

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69 Conv #'s Match 427/390, TKO-600, 3.36 HD Posi, T/T, PS, PB, Leather, Comp Mag 270 & Mag Pro Roller Rockers, Edel Air-Gap RPM, SpeedDemon 750 MS, MSD 6AL+Tach Dist+ Blaster SS+Wires, Holley Blue Fuel Pump, K&N, Jet-Hot Hooker Side-Pipes,Steeroids

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do you still need the lights?
 
i got busy and ive been out of town/out of state, etc.


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