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9/28/12 2:03pm - Original Message: 'Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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OK, just noticed that when I go to the far right (High) switch position, my ammeter pegs out to the right.  All the other position the needle barely moves.  I replaced the blower motor resistor, the one that fits inside the air plenum from the firewall, a couple of years ago.  Is that what is causing this?
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9/28/12 5:44pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Nope....on "High", the resistor is not even in play. The high speed blower works strictly off of the high speed relay...it's a completely separate circuit. Does the gauge ever come back down, or does it stay pegged all the time with the blower on High?
If it stays pegged, I'd have to suspect the blower motor drawing too many amps, or the connector on the high speed relay being corroded. High speed relay should be mounted on the A/C evaporator box under the hood(if it has A/C). With no A/C it would still be mounted in the same general area.




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9/28/12 7:05pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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It stays pegged.  This just started happening.  I replaced the relay you show back in the early 2000's.  I'll have to check the wiring to make sure the plug hasn't fallen off.

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9/28/12 10:55pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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If it's blowin, the plug hasn't fallen off, but it may be loose, corroded, or might even be melted some. It's normal for the gauge to show a dis-charge when you first turn it on high, but the alt/regulator should make up for it, and bring it back to normal fairly quickly...unless the alternator/regulator isn't up to par.

The gauge staying pegged to the "Charge" side sure leans toward the blower simply drawing too many amps, and the alternator is trying to keep the output up high enough to overcome the draw....Really sounds more like a bad blower motor to me, but it can certainly be a bad connection, too.

Does it dim the headlights when you turn it on "High"?


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9/29/12 12:21pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Like Adam's Apple said, the high speed circuit doesn't have a resistor in line.  It gets full voltage from the Orange wire that goes from the "High Speed Relay" over to the "Horn Relay" on the driver's side.  By the horn relay, there should be a fuse holder.  My '73 has a 30 amp fuse in it.  First off, see if your fuse is 30 Amp and not higher.  Then follow that orange wire from the fuse holder back to the high speed relay looking for worn off or missing insulation that might be allowing some current to flow to ground.  If everything is good, then you probably need a new blower motor.

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9/30/12 11:25pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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OK, here is what I found.  The 2 wire connecter that plugs onto the resistor that is on the SIDE of the blower motor plenum was unplugged.  Not the resistor that fits into the top of the housing (just under the relay in Joel's picture), but the one that fits into the side of the housing.  I had to take the passenger side gill off to get to it.  Unfortunately, when I tried to slide the connector onto the prongs, the whole inner part fell into the plenum. Censored  I don't know what that resistor is called as the one on top I though was the Blower Motor resistor.  I don't think I can get the part out of the plenum.  It's there until someone, not me, has to replace the evaporator.  I may be able to take the blower out and get my hand down in there....maybe.  I tried fishing a magnet in there to no avail.  Also, I'm not finding this part in the two catalogs I've looked in so far.  I don't know what it is called.

I also have an orange wire with a round rubber connector cover just dangling around the blower motor.  Don't know what that goes to either.  There is a double wire connector plugged into the blower motor housing.

Will tinker with it some more later this week.




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10/1/12 8:20pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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I fished it out!!  Took the blower out and was able to get my magnet down there an get it.  It is some kind of sensor or transistor looking thingy.  It mounts right next to the cooling air tube for the blower motor.  I'll be yahooing the part number to find out what it is.

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10/1/12 10:30pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Kinda sounds like a temp sensor, from the description....hmmm.
Doubt it has anything to do with the high speed blower issue, but who knows? Got a pic, maybe? OR post the part # on it? I can search the parts manual...


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10/2/12 12:00pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Here is the part:





Here is where it goes, the hole on the left.  The hole on the right is for the blower motor cooling tube:




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10/2/12 12:53pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Sure looks like a temp sensor, to me....but why does a '72 have that? Research time!

That, my friend, is the "Ambient Temperature Switch".


It would keep the compressor from coming on, but has nothing to do with the blower, best I can tell.

I'm gunna send ya a wiring diagram for the A/C system, in case you do not have one.


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10/2/12 3:05pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Looks like I may have to try and glue mine back together.

http://corvetteparts.com/item/switch-heater-air-conditioning-ambient-temperature-sensor-1968-1973/?d=43801&itm=Switch




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10/2/12 4:17pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Just found the part number in my 72 assembly manual.  3917359.

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10/2/12 10:19pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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I noticed in the link you posted, that that part is for '68-'73....interesting. Don't think I've ever even noticed one. Gotta look at my '73 AIM and see if it shows it, and if it's the same part #. I've seen them on other cars, but never noticed one on a Corvette...but then again..I've never looked for one, either!

http://corvetteparts.com/item/switch-heater-air-conditioning-ambient-temperature-sensor-1968-1973/?d=43801&itm=Switch



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10/4/12 5:19pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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OK, glued the silver button part back on to the black mounting plate with epoxy.  Put her all back together and it still pegs the ammeter right.  So I started feeling wires.  Followed the orange wire all the way back to the inline fuse to the horn relay.  The orange wire does not get hot.  The red wire from the horn relay to the inline fuse is pretty warm, and the inline fuse holder is hot to the touch.  Does this tell you electricians anything?  There is a 30 amp fuse in the holder. 

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10/4/12 10:47pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Yes...it tells us there is too much resistance in that circuit. So, we're back to the blower motor drawing too many amps...
If you can dis-connect the blower motor, turn the blower switch to "High", and the gauge responds correctly/normally, the blower motor is the problem. IF, however, you disconnect the blower motor, and the gauge STILL pegs, there is a short int he blower motor/blower relay wiring.
My bet is on the blower motor....


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10/5/12 5:06pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Pulled the power wire off the blower motor and the gauge needle never moves in any switch position (no deflection either way).  I guess that's means it's the blower motor.  Is their any way to fix this short of buying a new motor, or are they a throw away item?

'Nuther electrical question.  The Transmission Controlled Spark system is not on my car anymore but the wires are still there.  Should I jump these two wires together?  Or make sure that they don't touch each other.  Or does it even matter.  They look like they burned from heat or a short a long time ago (before I owned the car) and the exposed wires may be touching each other.


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10/5/12 10:59pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Blower motor is a "replace" only item. Nothing you can do to repair one, that I know of. Ouch
 One last-ditch effort check, before totally condemning it...make SURE the blower motor housing has a good ground. Run a separate ground wire to it from the frame, or engine..anywhere that you know will give it a good ground, and see if that makes any difference.
 The blower motor wiring on one of my Cads was melting, and was keeping the blower from working right all the time. I bought a new($$$$) motor for it, but never installed it. I found the ground circuit for the motor was just barely making any ground at the connector, and the wiring was getting extremely hot. I ran a new, separate ground wire to the connector directly from the engine block, and that solved that problem. I now have a brand new blower motor in stock, if I ever do need it....Approve

As far as the TCS, if the timer is gone, jumping the wires at the connector will prolly give you full-time vacuum...all the time. You may not want that. The system was designed to only give full vacuum with the trans in 3rd/4th gears only on the 4 speed. The timer was used to "delay" the vacuum coming on for about 20-30 seconds after shifting into 3rd, or 4th. Some years, it only worked in 4th. With the system working, if you let the engine idle, you can put the shifter in 4th gear, and in a few seconds, the engine will idle up as the vacuum kicks in. It's a neat way to test to see if it actually works.


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10/6/12 12:29am - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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I'll try the better ground thing.  As far as the TCS is concerned, it's all gone except for the wires.  No vacuum switch.  My distributor advance comes right off the carb.  I just don't know if it is OK if he wires are touching each other.


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10/6/12 11:24am - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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I would assume none of the wires has voltage on them. If so, then it would be fine to leave them as they are. If you do see voltage, then just tape them up, and hide them somewhere. Thumbs Up

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10/12/12 8:28pm - Reply: 'Re: Blower switch on high pegs ammeter'
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Oh tay, ran a ground from the frame to the  F&#$(^%$ blower motor and it still pegs the ammeter on high.  So....where is the best place to buy a blower motor.  I know all the Corvette catalogs have them, but since it's a generic GM blower, can I get one at a generic price somewhere?

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