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3/7/12 10:32am - Original Message: 'Engine won't turn over ???'
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OK, so last night i put a new battery in the monster.
I'm all excited to finally hear it roar in the car for the first time!!
Turned the key and ....NOTHING...NADA..
I do have headlights and tail lights and a couple of interior lights.
No dash lights, I will see if i grounded those out.
 
But I get nothing from the starter.
No clicks , no rrr rrr rr.
I believe all my wires are connected to the starter correctly.
I am guessing something is not grounded correctly????
I will be checking all grounds tonight when i get home from work.
Can it be something besides a ground?
 
ps: the engine ran great on the dyno.
it has not been run since them.
454 /4 speed
 
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3/7/12 1:21pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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MAJOR bummer, Joe!!!Angry
Are you absotively certain the starter is wired correctly? The purple wire goes to the solenoid terminal closest to the engine block. I think I would first check that, and then jumper across the terminals to see if the starter will crank from underneath. If it does, then you'll need to back-trace the purple wire from the starter to the clutch/neutral safety switch, then to the ignition switch.


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3/7/12 1:45pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Joel,

i'm 99% sure its wired right.
i took a quick look at it last night and i think i remember the purple wire closest to the block.
i will check all wires to starter tonight along with jumping it.
i hope its something simple, and i'm sure it will be.
My neighbor will be helping , he has a meter so we will be checking with that also.
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3/7/12 1:53pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Put the volt meter on the purple wire, and see what it has with the key turned to "Start"...it should be battery voltage. Anything less may indicate a bad connection/ground. 0 volts indicates no power thru the ignition switch, thru the clutch/neutral safety switch, or a break in the wire somewheres.
Make sure the main ground from the chassis is bolted to the engine(pass side, by the mount). If this is loose, you would still have lights and such, but the starter would have no ground.


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3/7/12 2:15pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Adams' Apple said: Put the volt meter on the purple wire, and see what it has with the key turned to "Start"...it should be battery voltage. Anything less may indicate a bad connection/ground. 0 volts indicates no power thru the ignition switch, thru the clutch/neutral safety switch, or a break in the wire somewheres.
Make sure the main ground from the chassis is bolted to the engine(pass side, by the mount). If this is loose, you would still have lights and such, but the starter would have no ground.
Joel,
sounds like good advice.
will check those out.
FYI, I have a brand new wiring through out the car, so hopefully no breaks.
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3/7/12 10:30pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Can you  say  duh  ? Confused
Ok, so,  all  looked  good  at  the starter,  but  the  meter  said  no  power  was  getting  to  it, plus  we  tried  to  jump  it  across.
Now  we  start  to  look  at  the  ignition  switch  on  the  column.
Guess  what,  there  wasnt  anything  plugged  into  it  !!!!!
I  never  plugged  the  2  connectors  that  go  to  it.
So  , I plugged  them  in,  still  nothing, so  then  i  looked  to  see  if  i  had  a  clutch  /neutral  safety  switch..  Yup,  I  did.  But  the  switch  I  have did not  match the  plug  on  the  wiring  harness, so  I  bypassed  the  switch.
WA  LAH, it  wanted to  turn  over!! It  started to  make  clicking sounds  at  the  starter  but  wouldnt  turn  over.
Sounds  to  me  like  it  may  not  be  properly  grounded. So  I  had to  stop  working  on  it  at  that  point  anyway  and  Tomorrow  I  will  go  thru  all  the  grounds  to  be  sure  I  have  good  contact.
I  have  a  question on some  loose connectors  i  need  to  find  a  new  home  for,  but  that  will  be  a  new  thread.
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3/8/12 12:42pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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   ........

Can't say that's never happened to me, so.....

Keep us posted...a vid of the start-up wood be kewl, too. Big smile




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3/8/12 12:57pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Joel, i do plan on a video.
May try staring Friday nite if all goes quickly tonight.
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3/8/12 7:17pm - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Good luck Joe. I got my fingers crossed for ya.

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3/9/12 8:13am - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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OK, so last night i cleaned up the grounds.
Hooked up the battery, turned the key and still all i got was clicking noise.
I could hear the starter solienoid working . It did sound stronger than last time.
The starter did not turn. I turned the key about 4 5 times and then the solonoid just stopped working.
May be stuck?
I will try hitting the starter  tonight while the key is turned. If that doesnt work
I think I am going to pull the starter off and have it checked. I bought it new from Advance Auto.
Any suggestions?
Help!!! I want to get this monster running.
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3/9/12 9:41am - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Can you see if it will engage to the flywheel manualy, most of mine have had to be shimed.
Is it a compact high torque style or original?
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3/9/12 9:49am - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Original style, from Advance Auto.
I did not shim it when i put it on.
I was just talking to my neighbor a few minutes ago and that is one of the plans we are going to try.
We will also try turning the engine over by hand to see if that might engage  the teeth better.? Along with beating the starter. (did i say beating??? thats what i want to do !!!!)
Any other suggestions will be helpful.
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3/9/12 10:01am - Reply: 'Re: Engine won't turn over ???'
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Might want to try a shim kit or a real starter...I don't have much faith in much electrical parts from there..

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Rich,
I'm going to try the shim first.
I really dont want to have to buy another starter, but if i have to i will.
Recomendations on what to buy if i do need one?
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I guess it depends on how much compression you put in that motor...I would like to see a high torque mini starter on it but they are expensive...but work...I've had ones from where you got yours and did several before I got one that worked for more than a month..or at all..

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do you know the brand, where you got it from?
If i do have to buy one i would try to get it locally in Rochester ny.
I dont want to order one if i dont have to.
Are the ProForm high tourqe any good?
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I'm not to big on which brand...but look for one with 2 HP output...a local speed shop should be able to help out...not sure if advance sells one too...it won't be one of their rebuilt ones either if they have one available..shouldn't be that hard to find..I know Eastwood makes a good one though.

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The one on my 383 stroker is a powermaster from summit racing.
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Installed a mini high torque starter in my small block...solved my starting problems. I agree with Ebo, check Summit, that's where I bought mine too.

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As my brothers mentioned, Powermaster is the way to go. You need to only engage the solinoid part to check the movement of the gear meshing into your flywheel. I had to shim mine to get the proper fitment.

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