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9/30/07 9:12pm - Original Message: 'Is This Illegal?'
rearn2go72
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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

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Here is a car that was listed on ebay last week as a 1972 matchings numbers car with a 350/300hp engine. We all know that there was no such engine offered in 72. The Vin# on this car shows it to be a base 200hp engine.
 
This corvette dealer has relisted the car this week as a matching numbers 350/270hp engine which would be an LT1. Now most of us would know that this car has neither engine that the dealer is representing the car to have.
 
My question is, if someone bought this car as represented by the dealer, what recourse would they have?
 


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9/30/07 9:18pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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If you know this to be fact, you should report it to ebay.  They pride themselves in preventing this type fraud whenever and wherever caught.

Since they receive around 3 mil listings per day, they cannot be expected to be expert on every item however, they do police when informed.

It would be hard to "prove" in a court of law that the dealer deliberately misrepresented the car however, he/she should be held to a much higher standard of proof as an expert in the field.

Bottom line with ebay is caveat emptor (let the buyer beware).  It is fun sometimes to send these yahoos direct questions, then prove them wrong with your response to their response.  They are supposed to post all Q&A's so that would be something else to report if they didn't post it.

I would definitely give an email to ebay and provide them the proof they need to hammer this idiot.

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9/30/07 9:22pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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Well...they obviously don't want to sell it to anyone with DIAL-UP service! geeeeez....

Here's their "out"...

"While we are happy to show our customers the casting numbers , stamping on the motor and V.I.N numbers on the car , we CANNOT guarantee that the motor is in fact the original. There is always the possibility of re-stamped motors , and as technology advances there will be even more. Any representations made by Hawks Corvettes are "to the best of knowledge." The entire risk as to the originality of the vehicle is with you , The Buyer.

We CANNOT   guarantee the originality of these vehicles , including but not limited to : the engine , the transmission , "matching numbers" , color change , the frame , the documentation , etc. The mileage is represented to be , "to the best of knowledge" , but not guaranteed."


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9/30/07 9:26pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250170128280&ssPageName=STRK:MEBI:IT&ih=015
 
 
Here's both listing. Is that "fact" enough? LOL


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9/30/07 9:34pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Disclaimer or not, I'd still report them to ebay.  It is obvious to anyone who knows what is going on.

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9/30/07 9:49pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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#1 -1969 Corvette Coupe Riverside Gold, black interior,MN,A/C,350/350,PS,PB,window cranks. #2 -2000 C5, black/black, 6 sp, Bose system & lots of buttons.

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...............And the Seller says the car is "Sunflower Yellow" (Code 912).........NOT!!
 
Shocked If you look at the picture of the door tag it's coded 989 - War Bonnet Yellow...............do ya' think they are confused? LOLConfusedLOL


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9/30/07 10:06pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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1975 L48 AT AC T-top

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Report if you want but most of you remember my misfortune with the 71 LT1 from Ebay. It could not have been more misrepresented and Ebay would do nothing. Even the lawyers said it would be tough to fight in court. I could not have been more disappointed in Ebay. If you can't personally inspect it then don't buy it.

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9/30/07 10:07pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Scott has a good point here. 

Caveat emptor.


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10/1/07 9:54am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Eagan, MN - USA

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Gone, but not forgotten: 1974 Coupe Red, matching numbers, Black Interior, L-48 w/ 4 speed; Current: 1994 Admiral Blue LT-1 coupe, Black Interior Automatic

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While the eBay listings are fun to peruse, I agree with Scott. I need to inspect and drive the car before I would agree to a purchase it.



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10/1/07 10:51am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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1978,Metalic Money Green W/Gold emblems,TH350 w/gear splitter,black & grey interior.1978,two tone,Metalic Rootbeer & gold ,Doeskin interior,auto. trans. 1981, Silver w/mirrored T-Tops,4 spd, charcoal interior.

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[QUOTE=sundew]

While the eBay listings are fun to peruse, I agree with Scott. I need to inspect and drive the car before I would agree to a purchase it.

[/QUOTE]                          Good advice friends. My boss buys all his vehicles off ebay. Pickups, forklifts, Peterbuilts and so on, and his track record is perfect. Everything he buys needs major, costly repairs in a very short time Ouch. Can't say why he continues Confused.

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10/1/07 7:36pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Previous: 1984 Silver / Charcoal Coupe, 1988 Maroon Coupe / 1989 Artic White / Mod. Red Int. Coupe, Present:1976 Stingray Black / Black, Auto, 350 slightly modified (355 hp) Luxor Wires Redline Tires. / 2001 Speedway White Vert, Torch Red Int, LS1, Auto.

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I Have always went straight to the source 1st. Same way I would want to be dealt with. Then if they don't acknowledge my claim then off to ebay for what it is worth.

Depending on the item I may post it as a topic for awareness such as this. Beyond that there Ain't Much More Ta Do. Cept ta set back an hope that I don't know the soul who makes the purchase,
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10/1/07 9:26pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Bladenboro, NC - USA

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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

Joined: 1/22/2006
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Tux, I did go straight to the source. I contacted him through eBay and told him the 300hp had to be a typographical error. His reply was "I think my guy had to much to drink Friday night". When I contacted him about the 270hp, his only comment was "thanks".

I think everyone on the forum should contact him through eBay. At least he might realize that quite a few people realize that he's a scam artist. 

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10/2/07 5:31am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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[QUOTE=rearn2go72] Tux, I did go straight to the source. I contacted him through eBay and told him the 300hp had to be a typographical error. His reply was "I think my guy had to much to drink Friday night". When I contacted him about the 270hp, his only comment was "thanks".I think everyone on the forum should contact him through eBay. At least he might realize that quite a few people realize that he's a scam artist. 
[/QUOTE]

Sorry Jim I wasn't implying you didn't. I was just saying that is what I do. I'm old school like that. I was raised to meet a problem head on because it wasn't going away.

Yeah it looks like he is doing some serious back pedaling there. I like the idea of flooding him with questions / comments. In fact I think I will casue I can. It will have to be later today though.

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10/2/07 9:45am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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It's too bad that there are people out there trying to scam others who aren't as informed as we are. They really hurt that first time buyer who just doesn't know any better. I know it's buyer beware, but it still makes me mad that people do stuff like this.   

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10/3/07 7:06pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Yelm, WA - USA

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1979 L82 4 speed Scat 383 crank 190 cc Procomp Aluminum Heads 202 160 stainless valves GM Powder metal rods Speedpro H860CP Hypereutectic pistons 280 cam hydralic HEI Pro comp 1.6 roller rockers Mighty Demon 750 Sanderson CC1AP Hedders.

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Call him on his BS! I like e-bay a lot, too bad people like that are on it. I know they toghened up a lot on negative feedback recently, so they might act on multiple complaints. 

Disclamer: I thouroughly hate cheesy low life car lots. I love shopping for cars just so I can go and torture car salesman/women. Evil%20Smile 


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10/4/07 11:14am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Victor, NY - USA

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2004 Commemorative Edition Coupe, Auto w/HUD. 13K miles in 2015. Sold 1982 Red Coupe

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Closed at $22,600 without getting to reserve.
Maybe it will be listed again with a different motor.LOL


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10/4/07 11:52am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Bladenboro, NC - USA

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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

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[QUOTE=dwright]Closed at $22,600 without getting to reserve.
Maybe it will be listed again with a different motor.LOL

Dwight, that was last week's listing when it was a 300hp engine. As of now, there's 8 hours left and it's at $19,100, since it only has 270hp this week


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10/4/07 9:36pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Bladenboro, NC - USA

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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

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The car sold this time....$23,900 which isn't a bad price but I hope the buyer realized that it wasn't a numbers matching car.


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10/6/07 10:40am - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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I looked at the buyers purchase history and from what I see, he should know what he's got.  In the past 3 months; he's been buying go karts parts, Mustang parts (for a 69 and for a '05 to '07 one), the Corvette black book, some C6 parts, etc...
 
Who know, maybe it's not even for himself...
 
I bough my '74 on ebay.  I wish I had paid 1000$ less and knew a little more about the suspension condition, but besides that, and overall good experience.  Like anything online, a lot of weeding out to do, but there's good stuff out there.
 
 
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10/10/07 10:56pm - Reply: 'Is This Illegal?'
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Bladenboro, NC - USA

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1972 conv., sunfire yellow, blk interior, blk vinyl and convertible top. Off frame restoration with American Speed 383 stroker engine producing 500hp plus a 200hp NOS system. MSD ignition. Hooker super competition headers with chambered exhaust.

Joined: 1/22/2006
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I'm still watching this car for feedback from buyer. I just noticed this tonight. It was added 2 days before the auction ended. (at the very bottom when it wouldn't be obvious) LOL

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This is a Matching Numbers 350ci 200hp Corvette! NOT 270hp LT1!!




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