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3/12/14 3:45pm - Original Message: ' Paint scrape repair question ?'
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Concerning the '82 CE in just bought - I took this picture below to a guy who has painted cars for me.  When he called the paint provider shop and gave them the paint number off of the tag and I verified it was called Silver Beige Metallic, they said it was lacquer. 
 
Well I guess laquer paint is a no-no anymore and the paints of today will negatively react to the laquer paint even for touch up.  So the solutions for me sound like a a major deal, as in total sanding the whole nose lacquer off in order to repair and repaint the nose. 
 
Am I on track and is this the first bullet I have to swallow?  Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
I looked at a member's CE that is in his profile and he has a black bra on his.  Personally I've only put clear bras on my vettes, but this looks like a viable option to cover the abrasion, until '15 or '16 when I'll have saved enough to have the car totally painted correctly.
 
If your out there and read this, where did you get this black bra, and are there any set backs?


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3/13/14 7:34am - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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rmendoza said: Concerning the '82 CE in just bought - I took this picture below to a guy who has painted cars for me.  When he called the paint provider shop and gave them the paint number off of the tag and I verified it was called Silver Beige Metallic, they said it was lacquer. 
 
Well I guess laquer paint is a no-no anymore and the paints of today will negatively react to the laquer paint even for touch up.  So the solutions for me sound like a a major deal, as in total sanding the whole nose lacquer off in order to repair and repaint the nose. 
 
Am I on track and is this the first bullet I have to swallow?  Any thoughts or suggestions?
 
I looked at a member's CE that is in his profile and he has a black bra on his.  Personally I've only put clear bras on my vettes, but this looks like a viable option to cover the abrasion, until '15 or '16 when I'll have saved enough to have the car totally painted correctly.
 
If your out there and read this, where did you get this black bra, and are there any set backs?



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3/12/14 6:32pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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I am surprised they said it was lacquer. I know GM used it in St. Louis, but I thought they switched to acrylic in BG.

I would check with someone before I had any paint applied.



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3/12/14 6:36pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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I bought a black bra for mine before going to Colorado last year. I got it a Mid-America. It is OK, but not great. It will hide the scrape. It is the mini that covers the bumper but not the headlights.

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3/12/14 6:45pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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dwright said: I bought a black bra for mine before going to Colorado last year. I got it a Mid-America. It is OK, but not great. It will hide the scrape. It is the mini that covers the bumper but not the headlights.

It's Gilbert tb2k82ce Lifetime Member who has a picture of a CE with a black Bra on his signature.  I'll send him an email if I don't get a response from him soon.  It's a mini and I thinkEcklers has it for $89

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3/12/14 10:23pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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dwright said:

I am surprised they said it was lacquer. I know GM used it in St. Louis, but I thought they switched to acrylic in BG.

I would check with someone before I had any paint applied.


Dwight,

You were right! At your recommendation I did a little more research and here is what I found to share with the group about the paint:

(Corvette Restoration Guide/1968-1982. Richard Prince, MBI Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-7603-0657-5)

"All 1978-80 cars were painted with acrylic lacquer. All 1981s assembled in the old St. Louis, Missouri, Corvette factory were also painted with acrylic lacquer. During production of the 1981 models, Corvette assembly was moved to a new factory in Bowling Green, Kentucky. All 1981s assembled in Bowling Green, as well as all 1982s, were painted with an acrylic enamel base coat/clear coat system."

VINs for 1981 were:
1G1AY8764BS400001-1G1AY8764BS431611 (St. Louis) - Acrylic Lacquer
1G1AY8764B5100001-1G1AY8764B5108995 (Bowling Green) - acrylic enamel base coat/clear coat system

So the painter and I are going to Denver in the morning to pick it up and trailer it back (still has the second set of tires on it from pre-1987) cause we don't want to take a chance on those tires even though they  have great tread but the sides are showing cracking.  He'll be able to give me an estimate when he sees it.



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3/13/14 7:47am - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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good plan on the trailer - definately do not frive on those tires !

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3/13/14 6:30pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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ceastham1 said: good plan on the trailer - definately do not frive on those tires !

good luck ! 

It's home safe and sound (see pic).  The tires are so are very hard riding around town.  Good Year stopped the Eagle IIs, so I'll have to put on BF Goodrich white letter to give it that old look.



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3/13/14 8:16pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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Good looking car.  Did you ever get anything back from Steve on the rear window hinges?  By the way the black bra came with my car so I have no idea on who made it or the cost.  It is gone now waiting to start to get the car ready for painting.  I will paint the fader strips on the side and hood.  I have a painter in town that has done at least three that I have seen he gets better each time.

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3/13/14 9:21pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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dwright said:

I am surprised they said it was lacquer. I know GM used it in St. Louis, but I thought they switched to acrylic in BG.

I would check with someone before I had any paint applied.



Some "early" 82's were built in St Louis.  They were painted with the lacquer.

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3/13/14 9:24pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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rmendoza said:
dwright said: I bought a black bra for mine before going to Colorado last year. I got it a Mid-America. It is OK, but not great. It will hide the scrape. It is the mini that covers the bumper but not the headlights.

It's Gilbert tb2k82ce Lifetime Member who has a picture of a CE with a black Bra on his signature.  I'll send him an email if I don't get a response from him soon.  It's a mini and I thinkEcklers has it for $89


I also have a bra on my 1981!  I got it from MidAmerica Motorworks.  I do not use it as much as I thought I would!!
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3/13/14 9:47pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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dskopp said:
dwright said:

I am surprised they said it was lacquer. I know GM used it in St. Louis, but I thought they switched to acrylic in BG.

I would check with someone before I had any paint applied.



Some "early" 82's were built in St Louis.  They were painted with the lacquer.

Can you give me the source of your information about '82s being built in St. Louis?  It contradicts the Reference and information that I posted above.  My '82 CE in #13747 and I'm trying to get the scrape repaired but if it's lacquer it seems to be a big deal with the prep, and matching.  If it's the Bowling Green two stage enamel clear, not so much.  



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3/14/14 7:23am - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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No '82s were built in St. Louis. All were BG cars. Some of the '81 cars were built in St. Louis, some in BG. The BG plant went on-line for the '81 year model, so cars were built in BOTH plants at the same time. ALL of the BG cars were Enamel paint...no lacquer. The biggest reason for the new plant in BG was the new paint facility, which enabled GM to use the enamel paints, and do a much better paint job. Thumbs Up
The only real worry about fixing the boo-boo on your car is using the flex agent in the paint on the bumper cover. Since the cover is flexible(urethane), the paint needs an added flex agent to keep it from cracking when the cover moves/flexes. If it is painted with "regular" paint, the paint will crack as soon as the cover moves at all.... a small bump, or even pushing on it too hard with your hand can cause the paint to crack.

btw...the BG cars were also base/clear coat paint...a first for Corvette. Big smile

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3/14/14 3:32pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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tb2k82ce said: Good looking car.  Did you ever get anything back from Steve on the rear window hinges?  By the way the black bra came with my car so I have no idea on who made it or the cost.  It is gone now waiting to start to get the car ready for painting.  I will paint the fader strips on the side and hood.  I have a painter in town that has done at least three that I have seen he gets better each time.

I made a note to contact him and I will just to see if he is still doing them.
 
Frankly, I just got it home yesterday, and overwhelmed with where to start on it.  Ordered tires, washed and put it's first coat of wax in ??? how many years.  After tires, I have to get to the Corvette Center for engine and safety check.  Starts great, but runs crappy and the brakes are great.  I have to get a mechanical baseline on it before I prioritize what has to be done to get it ready for the Caravan.



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3/15/14 2:18am - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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On the runs crappy besides the standard fuel and spark we have air flow issue with the crossfire. 

Vacuum leaks will make it idle fast and crappy. Low fuel pressure usually is not an issue at idle unless it is really in the toilet.   By the way spark plug wires caused me some issues they can burn easy if not routed correctly.  They and also burn if routed correctly.  If I had wire issue to do again I would get some racing high temp wires and route them correctly.  You can get some that you can lay on the exhaust manifold and they will not burn.  If anyone is interested I found them using Google "high temp spark plug wire"
 
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3/15/14 9:16am - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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Rick,

For what it's worth, I got some acrylic lacquer for my '72 back in 2011 from this source.

Not cheap but an exact match.

Good Luck,

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3/18/14 10:39pm - Reply: 'Re: Paint scrape repair question ?'
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Thanks Widetrack, but my '82 came from BG with acrylic enamel base coat/clear coat system."  so anything done will have to match.  I don't want Lacquer for all the reasons that they changed from it.  See the BOOBOO on the front passenger side.  Concern of the painter isn't getting the paint, but the matching of the other paint that is 32 yrs old.  The car has been garaged for the last 27 yrs and only driven 6 or 7 times a year since 2001 (only 1,290 miles).
 
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