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12/2/12 7:57am - Original Message: 'Question from a newbie...'
SteveC
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I am close to purchasing a 1969 427-390 Coupe but struggling with a discrepancy between the trim tag and some other date codes on the car. The engine code says the engine was built Jan 16, 1969 (partial VIN does match the car's VIN) and the sequence number of the VIN is above 15600 yet the trim tag says "C07" suggesting that the body was produced Oct 7, 1968, long before the engine was made and the car was assembled. Is it possible that the body sat waiting for assembly from Oct 1968 until Feb 1969?

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12/2/12 11:12am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Look at the trim tag VERY closely....see if the "C" isn't actually a "G", which would make it a Feb build date....Wink

Not likely to have a trim tag date(earlier than build date) like that at all. Tags were made before body assembly was started, and installed on the early cars after paint.





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12/2/12 11:18am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Joel, would this fall into the catagory of the Mike Yager seminar about Numbers Matching?
He was saying to be cautious as Barrett Jackson cars may have the correct sequence part numbers but that does not mean it came with that car. That all the dates had to match also.
He was comming out with a book, was'nt it going to be on line for free, just for this because he was so upset.
Not sure if it pertains to this issue or not.....
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12/2/12 11:28am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Thanks Joel. Attached is a photo of the trim tag; sure looks like a "C" though. I will have a closer look at the car... Unfortunately it is 1,661 miles from here to the car!


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12/2/12 12:37pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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I dloaded the pic, and did some enhancements...it looks like a "G" to me. If you look at the "C" in Chevrolet, and compare it to the "G" in the date, you'll see that the top part of the opening of the "C" comes down farther, or closer to the bottom part, compared to the "G", where the top part of the opening is higher....if that makes any sense at all. Basically, the two supposed "C"s do not match.
The original pic is kinda blurry, so that dint help much, but it appears more like a "G" to me. A better pic, or personal examination would certainly be needed to confirm.
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12/2/12 3:01pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Leave it to Joel to come up with a solution! That's what I love about this site!
 
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12/3/12 1:48pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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I don't have the answer...just an opinion.... Here's what I see...the "C" on the right in this pic is from the "Chevrolet" on the tag. The letter on the left is the one in question. From what I see, the two do NOT match...looks more like a "G" to me, but....you REALLY need to eyeball the tag in person, or have someone else take a look to verify what it actually is. I would certainly not pay good money for a car with questionable history.... just my opinion. If someone here has a '68-9 with a "G" build date, a good pic of their tag would certainly help...hint hint.... Also...if you could post a general location of the car, there may be a C3VR member close enough to take a look at it for you. dam...guess it would help if I added the dang pic, eh?

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12/3/12 7:14pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Fact :  More C2 big blocks exist than were built in all years applicable. No reason to believe otherwise for early C3's. Reason - more money for fabricated vehicles. 
 
I would be skeptical until someone placed eyes on the tag or you got a better picture - ever wonder why trim tag pics are blurry on some of these big blocks ?
 
I'm not saying it's not the real deal ... just not reliable from information presented.
 
Joel's evidence is not conclusive enough and if you look at other locations of the tag General looks like a C.  
 
get a better picture or specify location so someone can look at it for you.
 
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12/4/12 11:46pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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The full sequence #(vin #) would help narrow down the possibilities("higher than 15600" is a little vague, to say the least), but...Here's what I know. If the sequence # is above 15600, then car was finished on or shortly after Feb.11, '69. The last car built on Feb. 11 was #15702. Now, we have to take into consideration that the trim tag date is the "approximate" body build date. That date is when the tag was stamped, and the body build started. It could take a couple of days to complete the body, paint and all. Longer if the body had to go back thru the paint/body shop for any reason.
 Feb 7th(G07) was a Friday. So figure at least until Monday(10th) to complete the body, then final assembly of the car, that would put the actual finish date on Tuesday the 11th....unless the car has a sequence # above 15702. If it does NOT have a higher sequence # than 15702, then the G07 trim tag date would be absolutely correct for the VIN of the car.

Everybody clear now? LOL
I think the trim tag is a "G07", and the car is legit, BUT....the tag needs to be verified before confirming OR denying. Thumbs Up

Also...the final VIN # for Oct 7, '68(C07) was #3743.....


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12/5/12 12:47pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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All I can say is WOW.  You guys continue to amaze me. 
 
Think of it now.  All this help and it is just for a new guy that no one know if they will stick around or not.
 
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12/5/12 1:17pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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I agree with you.  The knowledge that some people on C3VR have is almost scary to me.  C3VR truly is blessed to have so many people that have such a vast amount of knowledge AND are willing to share it.  Now, if we could only get Dr. Joel to make house calls!!!!  But if he did make house calls, and came to my house, he would just weep Cry and wonder how I survived this long.Clown
 


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12/6/12 9:27pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Thanks for the help guys. Appreciated.
I did not want to post the VIN at the time because I had not yet agreed to buy the car.
The VIN is 194379S715656 so build date 11-Feb-1969 as suggested by Joel.
The trim tag is confirmed to be G07 by visual check by a friend and better photo attached.
Not going to pickup the car until the snow is gone as it is a long haul to bring it home from Calgary. I bought it from a colleague at work who has owned since 1981.









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12/7/12 12:12am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Congrats! You probably would be storing it for the winter, anyway! We still want pictures!!!!!! 
 
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12/7/12 10:46am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Far out! Glad you were able to confirm, and even more happy you BOUGHT it! Congrats!
And....you WILL be required to posts pics, as soon as you can!Stern Smile

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12/11/12 1:33am - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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According to the "Corvette Black Book"....A strike interrupted 1969 production.  When it was settled production was allowed to run four months  longer than other GM vehicles.  Because it was off cycle, some production records are not available.
 
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Oct 68     706272
Nov 68     709159
Dec 68      711742
Jan 69       714695
Feb 69       717571
Mar 69        720543
 
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12/11/12 11:29pm - Reply: 'Re: Question from a newbie...'
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Just to add to that info, the strike in '69 lasted from April 10th until June 6th.
Final production numbers after that were:
April : 21315
May : none assembled, but there were cars already on the line, partially completed at the time of the strike from April.
June : 23374
July  : 25875
Aug : 28107
Sept : 30963
Oct : 34067
Nov : 36798
Dec : 38762

Also, there were cars built in September of '68 for the '69 model year, ending with 3041. Thumbs Up




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