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7/8/17 10:10am - Original Message: 'What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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I have a 69 convertible big block that was outfitted for racing. Wheel flares, Plexiglas covering headlights, no bumpers and a ZL-1 decal. Any ideas on what I have?    

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7/8/17 11:26am - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Grapevine, TX - USA

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1972 LT-1 convertible with factory air.

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Pics?  Engine numbers?  You may have a gold mine, or you may have a beat on '69 Vette.

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7/8/17 1:22pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Equinunk, PA - USA

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1972 conv, 4-speed, 350, 200hp, numbers match, rally wheels, war bonnett yellow w/white top. good condition, nice driver.

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Depends on what you had to give them to transfer it to your possession. 0

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7/8/17 1:28pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Overland Park, KS - USA

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1973 Orange Metallic Coupe (orig owner), L82, 4 spd (WR), PS, (A/C & PW (I installed from wrecked 73)), leather, AM/FM Stereo, ran with '65 FI unit earlier & will again some day.

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Unless you paid a boatload of money for it, you probably have a clone at best. Pics would help.

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7/8/17 1:34pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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7/8/17 1:46pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Overland Park, KS - USA

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1973 Orange Metallic Coupe (orig owner), L82, 4 spd (WR), PS, (A/C & PW (I installed from wrecked 73)), leather, AM/FM Stereo, ran with '65 FI unit earlier & will again some day.

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Since it has the wrong front clip, wrong fender flares, and wrong wheels, it's certainly not a clone. Is the L-88 hood functional?

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7/8/17 1:49pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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7/9/17 9:29am - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Duncanville, TX - USA

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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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Appears to be a custom to me. All the bodywork is aftermarket, not GM issue. VIN and engine # would prolly confirm. There were only 2 ZL-1s ever offered to the public....this is neither of them. The engines were available over the counter tho, and they were also installed in Camaros. The ZL-1 badge can be bought from just about any Corvette vendor, so that in itself is of no consequence. Is the engine ALL aluminuminum?

That being said, it looks like a nice enough car, regardless. Thumbs Up

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7/9/17 12:15pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Gig Harbor, WA - USA

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1973 L82 4 Speed Coupe - Very original, well documented driver/survivor. 2016 Bend Regional NCRS Top Flight.

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Nice looking car. From the small interior shot, the headrest seats and the side gills, I'd say there is a '69 in there somewhere. The later fiberglass nose, flares and the L88 hood with no wiper door certainly points towards some aftermarket custom work on the front end. I agree with Adam's comments, the ZL1 badge looks a bit vintage in that shot but they have been available aftermarket for a long time. The key to its real identification will be the engine stamp pad and vin derivatives.

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7/9/17 3:56pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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1969 Stingray convertible

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The engine in it now is a 454 with a 427 crank. The guy I bought it from said it had all of the ZL1 options and the deletes matched the ZLI spec. He was 80% sure it was the missing red one that comes up in a lot of different searches. It was red looking through the black and verified by the door plate. You may wonder why he would sell if he thought it could be a rare one. He has lots of rare ones and is tired of messing with so many. Of course, he is worth millions. The engine is fresh and he had everything underneath reworked or replaced except the transmission which appears to be fine. The birth date is 10/18/69 so that wouldn't rule it out either. Seems goofy to me that someone would install a barely noticeable decal. Thanks for the input.        

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7/9/17 7:49pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Overland Park, KS - USA

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1973 Orange Metallic Coupe (orig owner), L82, 4 spd (WR), PS, (A/C & PW (I installed from wrecked 73)), leather, AM/FM Stereo, ran with '65 FI unit earlier & will again some day.

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Does it have a heater?  Since the L-88s didn't, I doubt the ZL-1s did.

Bottom line is you have a nice big block '69 roadster.  Beer


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7/9/17 9:43pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Duncanville, TX - USA

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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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It is NOT one of the two original ZL-1s. Both are accounted for. The "other" car that has been the subject of some controversy over the years was not red anyway...it was Monaco Orange....and it had an automatic trans.
What you have is a decent, big block car with some custom additions. Unless the car was represented to you as being one of the two original ZL-1s, and you paid accordingly, I would just enjoy it for what it is. If, however, you bought the car as being an original ZL-1, I would contact a lawyer...someone lied to you. Angry 

The original owner of the second, orange ZL-1 was a member here for years, until he sold the car. I've had several conversations(emails & such) over the years with him about the car. Thumbs Up



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7/10/17 11:52am - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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1969 Stingray convertible

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Thanks for the input. It does have a heater but I read that the heater delete was only for 67's. I bought this "cheap" from a car guy millionaire thinning out a collection of 30 some mostly cherry vehicle's. He said that when he began restoring it he found it had all of the L88 options and the deletes. He also said the ZL1 decal looked original and in his opinion something about this car was special. His plan was to verify what is was originally and restore it back to that condition. That seemed reasonable to me so I came here hoping an expert could point me in the right direction. Could it be one of the 116 L88's?               

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7/10/17 10:21pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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It may very well be an L-88, or been one originally. Need the engine stamp numbers to confirm/deny that. The L-88 had aluminuminum heads, but an iron block, where the ZL-1 was all alum.
Of course, the engine could have been swapped at any time in the past. And you are correct...the L-88 cars did have heaters, but no radio, power steering, A/C, ect. By law all the cars from '68 up had to have functional defrosters, so they had to have a heater system.....but not much else. The L-88 car had no fan shroud, either.
It might take some time to determine exactly what you have, but....that's part of the fun of the hobby...doing the research, and digging for clues to solve the mystery! Thumbs Up


I just remembered....the NCRS National Convention is goin on right now in San Antonio at the Henry B. Gonzalez Convention Center....perhaps you can take the car there and have some folks look it over and give you some ideas about it. They'll be there until Thursday. You might need to pay to get into the Judging field(as a spectator/guest), but you'll be able to ask around and see if anyone would be willing to take a look at the car.


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7/11/17 9:00am - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Thanks for the info, I plan on attending today and see what I can learn about this vehicle.

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7/12/17 5:31pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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Well attending the NCRS convention was no help. Most said without ownership records I was crap out of luck!

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7/12/17 9:23pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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Overland Park, KS - USA

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1973 Orange Metallic Coupe (orig owner), L82, 4 spd (WR), PS, (A/C & PW (I installed from wrecked 73)), leather, AM/FM Stereo, ran with '65 FI unit earlier & will again some day.

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Does the engine block stamping correlate to the VIN?

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7/13/17 12:44pm - Reply: 'Re: What is it?'
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La Vernia, TX - USA

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The engine is not original.

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