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2/16/05 1:46pm - Original Message: 'Updating Suspension'
StreetShark
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I am looking to make some suspension and steering improvements to my 68 convertible.  I have seen products that exchange the front coils for fiberglass leaves, convert the steering to a rack and pinion, and any number of bushing and sway bar changes.  My question is what works.  I really want to drive my car every day, but I will still thrash it every chance I get.  My first vette was a 94 coupe, coilovers were the rage with it.  Bottom line is this stuff is expensive, I don't want to have to buy something twice.
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2/16/05 2:51pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
VTHokie77Vette
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Hey.  I upgraded my suspension with the VBP Street and Slalom kit this past summer.  I also replaced the rubber bushings with polyurethane bushings.  To me, it was a huge improvement.  I don't kill it when I'm driving, but its handling is a lot better.  I hear going to 17" wheels also makes a huge difference in handling and response, so that is also on my to-do list.  The switch to the rear composite spring was really nice... especially considering the weight savings it made.  I stuck with the front coils, but switched them to 550#.  Haven't gone after steering yet, but that is also on the list.

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2/16/05 2:57pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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Hey, VTHokie77Vette
just checked out your web site.  You have been busy.  I really like the 383, but ia am going to work the suspension before the engine.  The street and slalom kit looks pretty good, I am just thinking that I could get the max performance package and replace my a-arms and everything with just the one kit.  I am deployed to the middle-east right know, spending my free time trying to figure out which project to do first.

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2/16/05 8:07pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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1975 T-Tops,Lite Custom work,Many engine mod. 700R4 trans. body is shaved,17" wheels bf goodrich g-force tires,heavy sway bars front&rear rack&pinion steering,550 slolom springs with gas shocks.

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I have changed everything under the front end of my 75. The vettebrake slalom thing 550 springs as well as 17" wheels with BF Goodrich G-Force tires.  Rack&Pinion steering the works.  YES IT IS WORTH EVERY PENNY I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH EXCEPT WOW!!!!!!  the only thing I would look in to is the new coil over sping set up.  But I have no regets.  Also anyone who drives my car just raves on how good it handels.. HOPE this helps 

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2/17/05 8:17am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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I've been thinking about doing things a lot like George's 75 to my 75. I have looked at the composite spring for the front (replacing the coils) but as stated earlier, it is pretty expensive.

Has anyone else ever replaced the front coils with a composite?

Glenn



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2/18/05 3:31am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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what composit spring for the front? haven't heard of that one. anyone got any info?
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2/18/05 3:57am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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[QUOTE=Flemgunner]what composit spring for the front? haven't heard of that one. anyone got any info?
glenn
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vettebrakes sells a conversion kit to run a composite transverse monospring on the front..

basically a c5 front suspension in a c3..  i think it runs around 750$



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2/18/05 5:47pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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VB&P sells a performane plus package (the same basic package is sold by Mid America and by Ecklers, 1 w/rear sway, 1 w/o).  It has composite front and rear springs like the C-4.  It is about $2000.00, but comes with everything.  What I would like to know is wheather or not the handling and ride are worth the money.  Anybody have one of these set-ups?

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3/10/05 8:13pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1913

Advanced Street & Slalom

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1915

Super Performance Plus Kit

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ;SubGroup=1916

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3/10/05 8:23pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
Eddie 70
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One thing not mentioned above and did improve the way my convertible feels was the Vette Brakes Spreader bar. It is placed between the upper a-arms and stiffens the front end up some. You could make your own but for around $95 you can buy thiers and bolt it in. I am happy with mine. 

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3/10/05 8:56pm - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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1975 T-Tops,Lite Custom work,Many engine mod. 700R4 trans. body is shaved,17" wheels bf goodrich g-force tires,heavy sway bars front&rear rack&pinion steering,550 slolom springs with gas shocks.

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Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me!

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3/11/05 12:08am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
StreetShark
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Hey everyone, really appreciate the input.  I can't wait to get home from Afghanistan and start makiing some serious improvements to my classic shark.  My list seems to grow everytime I think about it.  From the suspension to an all MSD ignition, complete new interior, maybe paint.  Anyway, I thank you for the ideas.  I had thought the mono front spring may be a little bouncy, so coilovers may be better.  Anybady else have any experience with the front mono spring?  I am not going home for a few more months, still plenty of time for me to figure this all out just right....

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3/11/05 12:18am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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I checked out the VB&P website, their kits are not for coilover setups, just high performance convention GM.  I read some feedback about the coilover setup by speeddirect (steeroids maker).  The owner said the coilover said up was harsh and unresponsive, difficult to install.  What do youall think about the pros and cons of a coilover system?

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3/11/05 7:36am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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[QUOTE=gellisvette]Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me![/QUOTE]

George, did the 550 front springs lower it? I'm working on my suspension as we speak. Just bought the rack and pinion kit and new trailing arms, etc. I want to get the front end down without cutting the coils. Any ideas?

Glenn



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3/11/05 8:53am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
VTHokie77Vette
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Pennsville, NJ - USA

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The 550 lb coils will lower the car a little bit.  I think they lowered my front end about an inch or something like that.  I think I have it written down on a notepad in the garage at home.

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383 Stroker, Holley MPFI, MSD Ignition, BTO 700R4, VBP Street/Slalom, Hooker Sidepipes with JCL Spiral Baffles, Corbeau A4s w/ Shark Bar and Simpson 5-Points, 17" AR TTII's, Kumho MX's

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3/11/05 9:30am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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Newark, DE - USA

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1968 Conv, 454HO,500HP-600TQ, TKO-600,3:70 HD rear,hotrod air, custom paint & suspension,1973 Ruby Red,T-top, 383 Stroker, TK)-500,frame off restro, 1977 Yellow (1 of 51 ) L-48 4 spd, 99% original.

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[QUOTE=Van Steel]

StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1913

Advanced Street & Slalom

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1915

Super Performance Plus Kit

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ;SubGroup=1916

All forum members get free shipping if they live in the 48 states. Let me know if you have any questions.

Dan

  

I've purchased sway bars,trailing arms etc.  from you ...quite pleased. How hard is it to install the semi-coilovers in a BB 68? I've replaced most of the suspension except the frt springs.

Alan

 

 

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3/11/05 9:39am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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How to install a Vette Brakes Spreader Bar.

This is what I was talking about. I have posted it on here before but you can actually see one in the pics I put in there.


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3/11/05 10:40am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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[QUOTE=knotacare][QUOTE=Van Steel]

StreetShark, I carry all of VBP suspension and I've tried it all on my 80. I do like the Perf. Plus kit but I hated the front monospring. In my 80', I felt like I was riding in a basketball. My front end was very bouncy and I even had them make me a stiffer front sring and it didn't help. I took it off and went with front semi-coilovers and man what a difference it made. Car sticks and handles great. I'm currently working on making rear coilover conversion for the 63-79 vettes. It will eliminate the rear spring and give you a much better ride. Here is what I got for the front now plus a couple other links to show you kits that I have as well. The tubular lower a-arms are not strong enough for the coilovers so using your stock lower a-arms will work just fine. All you have to do is drill the shock nut holes out. Here you go.

Front Semi Coilovers

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1913

Advanced Street & Slalom

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1915

Super Performance Plus Kit

http://www.vansteel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=ProductList& ; ; ; ;SubGroup=1916

All forum members get free shipping if they live in the 48 states. Let me know if you have any questions.

Dan

  

I've purchased sway bars,trailing arms etc.  from you ...quite pleased. How hard is it to install the semi-coilovers in a BB 68? I've replaced most of the suspension except the frt springs.

Alan

 

 

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It is very easy to install my semi-coilovers and they ARE NOT the same as speeddirect.com coilovers.

The only thing you have to do is drill the shock nuts out to a 3/8" OD hole and install them like you would w/your stock coil spring setup. It's very easy.
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3/11/05 10:42am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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[QUOTE=Eddie 70]One thing not mentioned above and did improve the way my convertible feels was the Vette Brakes Spreader bar. It is placed between the upper a-arms and stiffens the front end up some. You could make your own but for around $95 you can buy thiers and bolt it in. I am happy with mine.  [/QUOTE]

I agree, the spreader bar is a good investment. You can buy them cheaper than $95.
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3/11/05 11:03am - Reply: 'Updating Suspension'
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[QUOTE=gellisvette]Sorry but for my money VBP are the best. Call there teck people tell them what you want your car to do and they will steer you straight. At least they did with me![/QUOTE]

They do have good products. I should know, I sell their products and do all of their rebuilding for them as well as Ecklers, Corvette Central and Corvette America just to name a few.
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