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5/30/11 3:55pm - Original Message: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Lino Lakes, MN - USA

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I've had an extra front set of carpet that came with the car.

It is the cut pile Deluxe style. I've had it on my office floor for a month, letting the wrinkles out while I'm finishing up the heater core and dash area.

Just went to trial fit the passenger side- there's a square chunk missing!

Then I went to several websites for carpet- their pics have the same square shaped cut out, just behind the seat.

This doesn't seem right, as it not only needs to cover the floor, but it also needs to have extra flap go up and be covered by the sill plate.

Am I crazy, why would this "chunk" be taken out from under the seat, just because it's not seen as much?
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5/30/11 4:00pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Hole is most likely for a seat belt retractor under the seat.



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5/30/11 4:12pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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This isn't a small hole for seatbelts.
Every carpet I've installed never had seat belt bolts already cut out.

No, this is an 8" x 8" cut out (missing carpet altogether), towards the sill plate side. 
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5/30/11 4:22pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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5/30/11 4:29pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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My 74 has a seat belt retractor in that area and a fiberglass cover that screws to the floor right over that area where your carpet is missing. My new carpets did not have hole cut out and I had to cut it out. What kind of seat belts do you have?

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5/30/11 4:39pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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They the original style, that are held in with the large bolt to the tranny tunnel and outside sill plate area. Not a "large" plate as you say. 

When I pulled out the stock ratty carpet, I kept most of it, as the factory underlayment was in decent shape (didn't reuse it though, went with the Eastwood Foil backed stuff).

If that's the case, then I need new carpet. Bummer.
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5/30/11 4:41pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Checked the driver's side (still in my office)- it also is missing this area.

So, the former owner bought the wrong set? I haven't seen any sit asking about seatbelts.
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5/30/11 4:49pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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That is a definite possibility, or he cut the hole in himself for whatever reason. Maybe someone with a 71 can give you more insight as my 74 may not be the same. I have lap/ shoulder belt setup with 2 retractors for each side, with one under the seats and the other behind the seats on the rear wheelwells. I did not have to make my cutouts anywhere as near as large as the cutouts you show in your pic.

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5/30/11 4:54pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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To clarify, I have both the stock shoulder strap and the lap belts.
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5/30/11 5:11pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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I have a retractor under the seats which the belt comes out of the retractor, goes under a fiberglass cover attached to floor and extend up under the sill plates and the belt runs under a retainer to keep close to floor near sill. My new carpets did not come with any cutouts in the area you show which leads me to believe the previous owner cut them out. We just went through a tour at MAM at the Gathering and watched them make several sets of carpets and none had cut outs. If you have nothing that fastens to floor in this area then you have wrong carpets or modified carpets.

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5/30/11 5:20pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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I know the former owner well. He didn't cut them, that's how he bought 'em. I believe him, too. Kind of odd.

Guess I'm going to have to buy new carpet for the fronts (my back is fine)!

Anyone interested in this set of brand new carpets? They have the jute padding on the backsides. I also have to go with it a full set of foil/jute insulation.

I know this stuff ain't cheap, but I've already laid down the Eastwood, so I probably don't need this either. 
 
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5/30/11 5:28pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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5/30/11 5:36pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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I checked several sites for carpet and all pics do not show any cutouts.http://www.ecklers.com/corvette-front-carpet-cut-pile-for-cars-with-automatic-transmission-1970-1975.html

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5/30/11 5:45pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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http://www.zip-corvette.com/ProductDetails/StyleMasterDetails.aspx?pid={6da61db9-e710-4682-bf1c-201d0a64427c}&gid={07e8da4f-faf1-4881-bd77-d75e76be38b7}&GroupName=70-77+Deluxe+Interior+Cut-Pile+Carpet&pname=70-75+w/Auto+Front+Carpet+Set+(Cut-Pile)&Referer=&Alias=&ptct=SGR-SR&CTitle=&

Above is a Zip kit- mine looks identical. No mention in their catalog why it has this cut out. 
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5/30/11 6:04pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Strange!! Well good luck figuring out your dilema!Confused

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5/30/11 6:35pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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There are 2 pics from my 72. You can see the covers for the seat belt retractors. Im not home till tomorrow but if you want I can take better pics because mine is still apart without the covers on. I have only the floor retractors as my 72 has no shoulder belt. I can also check my carpet when I get home to see if that area is cut out. Mine are from MAM, the performance choice cut pile.
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5/30/11 8:29pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Definitely don't have those on the floor. 

And I have BOTH OEM lap belts and shoulder harness style.

Looking at the pics, I really didn't notice them at first. But after a second glance, I can tell. Thank you for the pics, it helps alot.

Still looks like I need to buy another carpet set. More $ again.


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5/30/11 8:57pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Just throwing in a stupid question....you do not have the right and left mixed up do you? At the carpet install they said its some times hard to tell them apart. Even after 100's of carpet installs they lay the old carpet out on the floor just like it came out of the car then match up the new pieces.......just askin....

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5/30/11 9:19pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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No, I have the driver's side in my office still- it has the foot/heel pad and high beam pad stitched in it. 

But that's not a bad way to think. Usually it's something simple. 
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5/30/11 9:44pm - Reply: '71 Carpet install, why are there square cutouts behind seats?'
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Not 100% sure what year the retracting belts came into play...I know the '72-up have them. That cut-out is for the retractor assembly. The carpet must be trimmed out around it, or the plastic cover will not sit down right, and the seat would hang up on it.
Rather than order a new set of rugs, I would get some carpet that matches, and splice it into the cut-out area. The seat will cover 99% of it, so it's not like it would stick out like a sore thumb.
I got my rugs directly from ACC(Auto Custom Carpets), and they did indeed have to be trimmed to fit. I might even still have the pieces I cut out of mine...they are black...


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