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9/8/15 9:06pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Good Evening All!

Just a quick update...

Found a water pump rebuild company through Hemming's.  They're in Lubbock, TX.  Sent them my water pump on Saturday.  Should hopefully have it back in hand in two weeks or less.  They said that if I wanted, they could add an extra water shield and upgrade internal fan blades if there was room to do so.  I said yes to both.  Hope that was a wise choice.  Work is warrantied for a year.

I sanded and painted my smog bracket, alternator bracket and water neck.  Now they match filter cover and ring (red). Should look great once put back together!

I also went ahead and removed valve covers.  Turns out, the valve cover bolts were barely screwed into the block.  I literally removed all 8 bolts by hand...surprised I wasn't blowing oil all over!  One question: how do I remove the fresh air vent tube from the passenger side valve cover?  It spins in the grommet, so it doesn't unscrew, and there is a "vent" underneath the tube on the underside of the valve cover that does not come out.  Would like to refinish my covers but need to get that tube out first.

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9/8/15 10:21pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Take a hair dryer, or heat gun, and heat the grommet up some. Use a rag or towel, grab the tube, and just pull on it. Wiggle it a little as you pull....it will come out. Don't be a-skeered. At the most, the grommet will disintegrate from old age. They get quite brittle over time. New ones are available at just about any local auto parts house if yours does happen to fall apart.

"Extra water shield"? Ermm What th' heck d'ya mean? lol   Never heard of that. Unless they're painting the inside of the pump or something like that. Ya gotta watch those folks down in Texas.....LOL


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9/10/15 8:55pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Thanks, Adam's!

I will try to heat the grommet.

As for water shield, they said something along the lines of "we can add an extra water shield in case the first one fails and leaks."  I said sure.  They're supposed to call me once they receive the pump.  Should I tell them to nix the extra water shield?  Same for the extra fan blades.  Any benefit to upgrading them?

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9/11/15 1:05pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Jason, without knowing exactly what they are calling "extra water shield", or anything like that, it's hard to say if it's worth the extra $$$ or not. There are different impellers for water pumps that do increase the efficiency of the pump, and help with cavitation issues, but I can't see the need for that on a street car. It all comes down to how mush extra the cost is, and how comfortable you are spending the $$$. Think aboot it....the stock water pump design hasn't changed for years and years....they work pretty dang good to start with, as long as the parts inside are in good condition, and it ain't leaking.
Of course this is all just my opinion. If you don't mind, can you tell us who you found to rebuild the pump? Perhaps they have a website we can peruse to see what they are doing/modifying on their pumps. Thumbs Up

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9/12/15 3:20am - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Sure, Adam's.  Here's their information:
O&G Water Pump Co. 4402 Ave A Lubbock, Texas 79404 - 806-744-5870


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9/12/15 12:01pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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That's who I thought it might be. Unfortunately, the don't have a website....Unhappy
Oh well....just thought it would be nice to know what they did to upgrade the pumps. Wink


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9/12/15 12:39pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Adam's - So you have heard of them before?  Any thoughts on their service?  It's taking FOREVER for my water pump to get there.  According to UPS, should be there Monday.  If YOU haven't heard of this "water shield" upgrade before, I think I will cancel the upgrade on both the shield and the blades and just ask them to rebuild the pump.

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9/12/15 12:44pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Vman73 said: Hey Jason that's great news, I'm sure it's SC rather than S6. 

Two more easy ones while you've got things apart are the WP pulleys. The 2 groove water pump pulley should have a 3991424 stamped into it someplace and the add-on smog pump pulley should be 3991425.    


VMan73 - A little update:  My two pulleys check out

Smog Pump single upper pulley: 3991425BX

Double upper pulley: 3991424BY

I have sanded them both, primered them, and will be painting them red this afternoon Thumbs Up


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9/14/15 11:38pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Adams' Apple said: That's who I thought it might be. Unfortunately, the don't have a website....Unhappy
Oh well....just thought it would be nice to know what they did to upgrade the pumps. Wink



Quick update: O&G received my pump today and I contacted them and asked them to not do the blade and shield upgrades. They were happy to oblige. I feel better now :)

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9/23/15 9:35pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Update:  I got the water pump!!  Came with gaskets, too.  Sweet.

It looks fantastic!  I'm really liking the cast look, but I know originally, the water pump is supposed to be orange.  I could primer it and spray it orange but it's kind of a cool looking contrast between the newly cleaned/painted orange block and the silver color of the cast (hard to tell in the pics).  Decisions, decisions....

Should hopefully be ready to begin piecing her back together this weekend!







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9/23/15 10:14pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Painting it will keep it from rusting...Wink

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10/11/15 8:00pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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1973 Corvette Stingray Coupe VIN 1Z37J3S418986 350 L-48 Automatic T-Tops St. Louis Assembly, 18,986th car built in 1973, Paint = 976 Mille Miglia Red, Interior = 425 Dark Red Vinyl (Ox Blood)

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Good Evening Gentleman,

Well, I stuck to my word and got Red Velvet completely reassembled this afternoon.  Looked great: Painted manifold, painted pulleys, painted brackets (alternator, smog pump and smog pump to manifold bracket), painted engine front, new valve covers, new upper rad hose, beautifully painted rebuilt water pump.  Reconnected battery, filled up with 2 bottles of 50/50 antifreeze...and it all poured out.  O&G Water Pump DID NOT tighten the 8 or whatever bolts on the back of the damned water pump and it leaked from the gasket worse than it did before!  You can see bubbles forming between the housing and the gasket.
Feeling sick.  It took a lot to get it all back together.  Now I have to disassemble everything and get the damned water pump off again.

F. M. L.

   


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10/11/15 8:41pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Bummer Jason, I had that happen to me once on a SB chevy engine once. And only once. Angry Never happened again after that. They don't tell you about that one in a assembly manual, as suggested from our buddy we talked about the other day. Wink LOL



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10/12/15 12:57pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Thanks Sarge81!  Glad I'm no the only one that has happened to.  And no, that one was definitely not in the assembly manual Evil Smile

Luckily, my company gave us off for Columbus Day.  I was able to get the water pump off again and sure enough, TWO bolts on the back housing were not tightened completely.  You can see a gap.  I feel dumb for not checking the bolts, but then again, I pad to have it done correctly, so didn't even consider something being wrong.  Lesson learned!

Stay tuned...

Jason D.


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10/12/15 3:02pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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Jasond56 said: Thanks Sarge81!  Glad I'm no the only one that has happened to.  And no, that one was definitely not in the assembly manual Evil Smile

Luckily, my company gave us off for Columbus Day.  I was able to get the water pump off again and sure enough, TWO bolts on the back housing were not tightened completely.  You can see a gap.  I feel dumb for not checking the bolts, but then again, I pad to have it done correctly, so didn't even consider something being wrong.  Lesson learned!

Stay tuned...

Jason D.


I noticed that in the picture you took.







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10/12/15 3:43pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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 I've been bit by that same crap before, too....Angry  I always check them now, and I shoulda mentioned it before, but as you said...you paid those guys to do it right. I would be on the fone givin them a piece o me mind right aboot now.  Censored

Before you put it back together(if you haven't already), it might be a good idea to remove the back plate and make SURE that gasket is good....it may be damaged or torn. Unhappy


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10/12/15 4:09pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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As the saying goes, notice something, say something.  Could have saved me a ton of work.  Wacko

Adam's - One step ahead of that game.  Bought all new gaskets for the block x2 and for the housing.  Nice Felpro ones.  The block gaskets that came with the rebuild were paper.  I believe the housing gasket may be as well. 

Trying to get this put back together today.  I need to ride again!  Thumbs Up

The good news out of all this, I am an expert with the front of that engine now!  LOL

Jason 

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10/13/15 12:13pm - Reply: 'Re: Fluid Leak...Not Sure What This Is'
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The water pump set back is a bummer! It happens to all of us. On the same idea only mine was the carb. I spent all the money and them some to rebuild a quadrajet. They guy who rebuilt it came highly recommended, he suppose to be the best of the best and even wrote books on how to rebuild quadrajet. I sent it back three times and it still isn't right!!!

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Hey Jason, back from vacation and reading about your WP adventures. Don't feel bad, I have to admit I did not check mine after rebuild, just put it in and got lucky. I'm adding that one to my list of "don't forgets". Hope it cooperates this next time round !!

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