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7/14/12 9:18am - Original Message: 'Interior advice'
Mamelukesword
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I' m a newbie here, I hoping for some of the forums expert advice. I have a a 1974 coupe with a 4 speed. I have pulled all the seats and carpet out. My original plan was lizardskin coating then some foil backed insulation. The PO. Sprayed some type of liner in the floor already, the folks at lizardskin claim it must all be removed to spray their product. Is that worth it or if I just cover the current coating with a quality insulation (dynamat or fat mat) will that provide the right amount of heat protection? Thanks in advance for the help.

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7/14/12 9:35am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Welcome Dennis!
Few questions....
  • Are you putting new carpet set in?
  • If so did you already purchase the carpet set?

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7/14/12 9:44am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Yes, I'm putting a new carpet set in. I have not purchased it yet. I was leaning towards the carpet from midamerica. Any thoughts? Dennis

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7/14/12 10:23am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Are you sure the coating you see on the floor is from a PO? The factory did spray sealant on the floors, mostly around the seams, but it differs from car to car, depending on how the guy doing it that day felt. My '74 has a rough surface sealer/insulation applied pretty much over all of the floor, but it is not uniform...it's kinda haphazardly done. It is all factory applied. If it is original, it will have body color on it, If it don't have any paint on it then it is something that was applied later.

I would go with just using the Dynamat, or some other insulating material of your choice....unless you just really want to spend a couple of weekends scraping whatever it is out of there, and then applying the Lizzard skin stuff. If you decide to scrap the old stuff off, be very careful to not remove any of the factory sealant in the process.

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7/14/12 10:56am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Dennis, Joel is going the same route that I would have suggested....see I just did not expect him up so early on Saturday....must be cookin moma breakfast Wink i would not be trying to get that stuff off, it's a good base use it.
When our group went to MAMO for our gathering they did a free carpet install on one of our members cars. There carpet sets are top of the line and come with the heat shield on them.
They also used the mating like Joel said.....
Also in their catolg they offer a box of dynomat scrap pieces, they take those smaller pieces and cover every little spot.
Search "Carpet Install" in the search box and you will find lots of post's, I'm sure you will be well prepared for the adventure! Thumbs Up
Good luck with the project, document it and keep us up on the project, we all like to learn more and more about our C3's
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7/14/12 12:15pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Dennis,
First welcome. You will find many good people here that will be more then happy to help. I have been down the road your heading on. First let me say, save your old carpet till you put your new carpet in. It will be a great help when you need to know how much to trim and where to cut. You can compare your old pieces to your new ones. It will be a big help. As for the lizard skin, I have it on both my vettes and I highly recommend it. I has done more for keeping the HEAT off my feet then any other thing I tried. Now if you decide to use it you will need a special sprayer to spray it. Dont buy one as I will let you borrow mine. All you have to do is take care of the shipping costs. I have pics of my floors if you are interested.
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7/14/12 1:09pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Thats right Rod used the lizzard skin, Rod can you tell Dennis what or how you did the prep?
Whats the saying...... "It's like having a Uncle in the Carpet buissness" LOL
Thanks Uncle Rodney!
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7/14/12 9:37pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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You guys are all awesome!  I have been on forums for jeeps, old trucks ect, and the hospitality here in one day is great.  

Rodney, 

Thanks for the offer on the spray gun that would be huge.  I still have some research to do before I pull the trigger.  

The current liner that is in there covers the whole floor including the area beneath the center console.  No paint overspray, so I guess it was a previous owner install.  

I watched the video with MAMO on my classic car, I am sold on their carpet.  

Is anyone just using Dynamat?  I would hate to install it then be sorry I didn't use lizard skin.  I know the to completely clean the whole floor will be  a huge undertaking.  Still undecided, definitely thankful for all the input and hospitality.  More to follow, I have never worked on corvettes, so there is a big learning curve.   Most my work is on Jeeps.

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Dennis


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7/14/12 10:13pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Dennis, the install that they did for us at MAMO just used dynomat and their carpet set.
 
Now I'm going to go off topic for a bit here on your thread so sorry about that....
 
About this site, this is the norm here, we all love our vettes and are a very, very, tight family. We have gatherings every year rotating from coast to coast, west, mid, east.
We all try and get to the yearly gathering just to meet each other and put face to name.
On top of that the members close to each other within 4-6 hour drive do some seperate gatherings a few times a year. Even in the winter without our vettes just so we can see everyone.
So welcome to the family, I was as impressed as you and signed up for a Gold membership right away, then after 6 months decided I wanted to be here forever and went lifetime.
Thanks for noticing that we are different...Wacko
Looking forward to your projects, bring em on! we are here for you!
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7/15/12 10:38am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Dennis
I am not sure why you couldnt spray the lizard skin right over the other stuff that is already on your floor panels. Its going to spray over the seem coating so I dont what difference it would make. Its a shame your not closer as I have about a 1 1/2 qts of the lizard skin left that you could try.
Let me know if I can help in any way.
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7/15/12 12:37pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Read this thread. You guys are awesome. The only site I've been on where people are like this is the songwriting site I frequent.

Lizard skin? MAMO? Floor seams?

So much to take in.
I haven't even thought about my 74's interior yet.

But I already have some things to think about thanks to this. I will need new carpet but I never thought much about spraying the floor before hand.


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7/16/12 12:22pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Last winter, I took the interior out and did just that; removed the factory coating.  I was planning to only replace the carpet, but the project got a little bigger.

The original coating was pealing, so I didn't want to spray anything over; had to remove the old stuff first.  I tried a few different methods; dry (with a scraper), chemicals and finally; heat gun.  The heat gun with a 2" scraper worked really good.  I only removed the coating on the floor pan and elbow area.  Not the back seat area as it appears to be a different kind of coating and it was not pealing at all.

Under this original coating, you will see other kind of seams (roughly done mind you); those you don't take off.  That's what glues the floor pan to the body.  I'm really glad I took the coating off of mine; because I found 1 big and 2 small areas needing repair at the seams that I would have not seen if I had not removed the coating.  I would push on the floor pan with a finger and be able to see the ground at the seams.  It has cracked and separated.  An epoxy cocktail followed by some fiberglass patches did the job.

Then I sprayed the area with a beige rubberized spray coating (3 coats). (Non-asphalt based product unless you want the smell).

The step after that for me was to add some kind of heat insulation (on a budget); so I opted for this foil product sold at the big home renovation stores (reflectix).    I also purchased a carpet set that has extra rubber and extra jute padding on it.  That's where I stand now; I have not put back the carpet in yet.

Long story short; if your original coating is not pealing; leave it there and add some heat insulation; such as lizard skin (all the way up including firewall) and verify you don't have any separation at the floor.  You would want to fix this before you put the new carpet in!  The good news is that our floor pan (74) are not metal; so we don't have to deal with rust!

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7/16/12 12:46pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Stephane!!! Good to see ya back on the forums!!Thumbs Up

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7/16/12 10:57pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Awesome write ups, I was thinking a lot about using relectex in the back and a quality adhesive matting in the front. Is anyone using the vette nuts pre cut insulation kits? They are on sale right now but I can't find many reviews. D

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7/17/12 1:33pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Lots of different options are available for you to choose.  I decided to go the Dynamat route.   I spoke to a tech at Dynamat and he told me that the Dynamat has to go directly onto a clean surface.  So I removed all the factory applied sound damper material with a heat gun and a sharp 2" scraper.  Afterwards, I cleaned off the remainder with odorless mineral spirits.  Then applied Dynamat and rolled it down tight with a small 1.5" wide wooden roller from my wallpaper tool box.  Then, I applied 1/4" thick Dynapad on top.  
I also did some work under the floor.  Years of oil leaking softened the factory applied undercoating so that scraped off easily.   On other areas I tried Eastwood's chemical undercoating removal spray but that didn't do anything.  So I used the heat gun and scraper again and got areas that were relatively easy to access.  Then I applied some "Zero Clearance" insulation above the areas where the exhaust pipes are.  Overall, it's a lot of work, but now it's done and I have moved on.  The car is still on jack stands so I can't offer any performance information.  Maybe I'll get it going by next Spring.....

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7/17/12 3:48pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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First of all big ole welcome to our family Dennis.HugI'm a simple kinda guy. When I tore my carpet out I bought a box of scrap heat shield, sound deadner stuff from Mid-America and made my own insulation. This lizzards skin dynomats stuff overwhelms me.Confused All I can say is before I did this you couldn't wear sandals without burnin your foot. Now no problem. Be careful of the glue you use though. Stuff I used reminded my of my days back in the 60's then  I got this big ole headache. Wacko



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7/17/12 6:18pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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Ok, I think I decided (hopefully I placed an order).  I ordered the vette nuts deluxe kit with foil insulation and Ensolite IUO insulation.   Next I ordered the MAMO carpet kit to go over the top of the insulation.  Has anyone ordered a complete interior screw kit?  Any thoughts on who has the best kit?

Pics to follow, the insulation kit wont ship till next week so it will be some time before I get it.  Thanks again for everyone's opinions and advice. 

Dennis



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7/18/12 12:14am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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i've purchased complete intweior screw kits from both ecklers and corvette america. i'm glad i had two kits as i waa putting mine together because for me some of the screws in each kit weren't right. but with both kits i had options.and yes i will have a bunch left over. good luck Rodney

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7/18/12 9:18am - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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 I purchased some of these long straight picks from Snap On, (Stock #: PSLR4-3 ) can find cheaper ones I'm sure, when they did the install at MAMO they would find the screw holes and poke these picks thru the carpet and into the screw hole that held the carpet in proper placement, when they wher ready they removed the pick and put the screw into the spot where the pick was. Worked real nice.
They used a 3M brush on glue and yes it did have a High smell. They let that glue flash for quite a while also. We made Terry (my71T) put both hands in his pockets...just to be safe Embarrassed
Keep taking pictures!
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7/18/12 9:15pm - Reply: 'Re: Interior advice'
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I'm reading my post from last night about the interior screw kits and I have to laugh. I was on my way home from a Nationals game last night when I wrote the reply, riding in the back seat with no lights on. Looking at it I didnt do very well! What I was trying to say was that I ordered 2 kits from 2 different suppliers. Glad I did as some screws from each kit wouldnt work so I had choices of the extra set. And its never a bad thing to have some extras left when your done for a future task!
Oh, by the way the Nationals won and that Harper kid is the real deal! Shame hes not a Yankee!
Rodney


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