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7/15/11 12:46am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Vancouver, WA - USA

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1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.

Joined: 8/25/2005
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I think this is a great site.  I've gained a lot of valuable knowledge and advice over the years I've belonged.  I hope I can someday start to repay some of that.  I do admit that much of the joking and camaraderie is over my head since I don't have the money, time, or for the last couple of years, even a running Vette to attend any of the events that many of you go to, but I'm hoping someday I can get to some of those - then the jokes will make more sense.  Gotta get my car on the road, first though.   Better go out in the garage and do some work!

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7/15/11 5:33am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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1:The site is only good if you want to know where the red wire goes.
2:Does not encourage new folks to stick around if you are not doing all the work on your car yourself.
3:Canadian members should also be treated the same. That isnt happening.
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I would have to agree with many of these points.
When I joined I dont remember any of this "mother hen" approach to the site. There was alot more folks posting and some great personalities on the board. As someone who has frequented motocross and fishing message boards for the last 10 years I feel like this site is only a shell of what it could be.
Thats what makes the gatherings so cool is you get to see some personality of the members. This is possible though the regular board also if allowed. But we wouldn't always be "on topic".
Read ebo's "chirping noise" thread. Half the post in it arent on topic but its a great read with lots of banter. And the questions get answered.
The #'s speak for themselves. How many folks come here and how many stay?

I know when I signed up for my lifetime membership and it took 4 months and countless e-mails to get any of the swag I was supposed to get by joining, it was a bit of a let down. If I could get some poor fool to send me $300 for a message board I would next day air them their stuff.

As far as the Canadian thing I would think that reply has to do with why does it cost anywhere between $5 and $50 MORE to join if your from north of the boarder?
 

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7/15/11 9:44am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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[QUOTE=T-Mans70,73]
1:The site is only good if you want to know where the red wire goes.
2:Does not encourage new folks to stick around if you are not doing all the work on your car yourself.
3:Canadian members should also be treated the same. That isnt happening.


I would have to agree with many of these points.
When I joined I dont remember any of this "mother hen" approach to the site. There was alot more folks posting and some great personalities on the board. As someone who has frequented motocross and fishing message boards for the last 10 years I feel like this site is only a shell of what it could be.
Thats what makes the gatherings so cool is you get to see some personality of the members. This is possible though the regular board also if allowed. But we wouldn't always be "on topic".
Read ebo's "chirping noise" thread. Half the post in it arent on topic but its a great read with lots of banter. And the questions get answered.
The #'s speak for themselves. How many folks come here and how many stay?

I know when I signed up for my lifetime membership and it took 4 months and countless e-mails to get any of the swag I was supposed to get by joining, it was a bit of a let down. If I could get some poor fool to send me $300 for a message board I would next day air them their stuff.

As far as the Canadian thing I would think that reply has to do with why does it cost anywhere between $5 and $50 MORE to join if your from north of the boarder?
 
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I don't under stand what you mean by "When I joined I dont remember any of this "mother hen" approach to the site."

Did you say "The #'s speak for themselves. How many folks come here and how many stay? " as a good thing or a bad thing?

As for this comment: "If I could get some poor fool to send me $300 for a message board I would next day air them their stuff."  First, the "stuff" is custom made for each lifetime member and involves me and two vendors to get the stuff produced and shipped out.  Second, I'm sure I told you then and I've mentioned to many people in many ways... C3VR (and my other sites) are a VERY part time job for me.  I have a family, a full time job, a wife that works nights and weekends and other responsibilities that come before C3VR.  I'm not saying that the members aren't important, because they obviously are important to the success of the site.  However, when it comes to things like mailing out member cards and lifer swag, I don't always have time to get that done.  It takes a lot of money to keep this site going and I think many people have agreed that charging a fee helps keep out the riff-raff while helping to keep the site alive.  I don't make much of a profit on this site.  In fact, I'm starting to get concerned that money is running low in my Vette Registries checking account.  If it runs out, this site's existence will be in trouble. I can not afford to keep it running with my own money.  As with everything the economy is causing C3VR trouble.  Advertisers are not renewing and not as many new folks are signing up.

As for the Non-US memberships costing more... I've also mentioned this before... Standard Memberships cost the same for everyone because they are online only.  Gold & Lifetime membership cost more for Non-US addresses because those types of accounts involve mailing things to them (member cards, stickers, shirts, newsletters, etc) and postage to Non-US addresses cost more. So the extra fee is to cover those costs.
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7/15/11 10:22am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Pittsburgh, PA - USA

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1979 L-82, 3 spd auto, car was originally Lt. Beige currently painted Sportsman Red, Doeskin leather interior, 103,000 miles......

Joined: 12/4/2002
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I'm with ya Adam. Its a royal PITA to run any kind of website and it takes alot of time and money. Its a steal for us to pay what we pay for the content held here.
I've belonged to other sites (non auto) that required a yearly memebership fee to partake.
I'm sure that some people lose site of how hard it is to run a web site. Its not just " plug and play"
There is so much behind the scenes BS that has to happen, that it can become a full time job to own and run a websiste.
As a side bar, if I can help with anything on the site my offer still remains on the table..
 
T-mans, no disrespect, but the "mother hen" approach to the site is what keeps people like me here. If I'd have asked some of the dumb questions that Ive asked here over on Corvetteforum (for instance) Id have gotten blasted.  If you dont believe me just go search their archives....its full of condesending remarks by the higher up towards the newbies looking for advice.
 
In fact the willingness of people to help one another has motivated me to tackle some projects on my vette that I would have normally had my mechanic do.
 
We may have the inside jokes in our threads that might confuse someone doing some research, but all in all its very respectful and probably the most informative C3 website out there.
 
The members here are beyond helpful to one another. I witnessed it first hand at Effingham and it was all I needed to see to how special a place this is and how special these people are. Some folks may not get that, but its their loss. Its a hard concept to understand until you meet the people and interact with them face to face.
 
Its hard to please everyone all of the time, but the members here try very hard everytime. 
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7/15/11 11:10am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Rockland, MA - USA

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76, L48, 4spd & 09, LS3, 6spd

Joined: 1/30/2003
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What scurvy? Who has scurvy? I thought I had scurvy once, but is was only mono I picked up from some chick back in the late 60s.
 
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7/15/11 11:34am - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Lemon Grove, CA - USA

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1982 C3 Collectors Edition 44000 miles, sat in the sun most of it's life, My wife purchased it for me for fathers day in 2007 from her girl friend that had it for 19 years. It is on the road again. I'm retired but it is now my daily driver.

Joined: 10/17/2007
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Some thoughts from a newish Lifetime member.  When I get around submitting the information that Adam request to get the goodies that C3VR offers life members, I would expect to get those within a couple of months maybe a year at the most.   After all I haven't submitted them yet but when I do .....  I expect quick response even if I do not provide it.Angry
 Let me think I have been a lifetime member for close to …   Cannot remember and too lazy to go back and look.  

Just to keep life in prospective it is a trend everyone goes through.  It will pass with time.   Remember that a select few have been rewarded with owning a C3 during that time.   God first, Family second, Corvette third or maybe it is Corvette second.  I not sure.  I must have read this somewhere I'm not bright enough to think of it myself.  I suffer from the Dory Symptom.  

(for ebo and others that may not have had the privilege of seeing Finding Nemo for 10 or more times with the grand kids - Dory was the Regal Blue Tang in “Finding Nemo” you know the one that every moment was a bright new day)

ebo see you were wrong I did not get paddled yet! Thumbs Up

Oh to keep on thread - On Fishing sites, I do agree I would not put up with this type of banter on the fishing forums after all fishing is serious business and the forums are free.  Corvettes (C3’s) are a hobby that you have the privilege of poring money into.

Without C2VR I would be still be looking for the some torque specifications on the net that Adam provided about 30 minutes after I asked if anyone had that information. Clap

Payback is the reason to become a lifetime member.

C3VR is a place to get help and have fun is the reason to keep coming back to the forum.  And yes we are a family and we do have disagreements and clicks to contend with but we are a family we just need to be mindful of the newer members and your old friends and continue to be helpful and friendly and have fun. 



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7/15/11 12:01pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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#1 *1980 White, Red interior 14,000 mile #2 *1980 Red, Oyster interior 93,000 miles Resto project car, rebuilt to 383 stroker

Joined: 6/3/2008
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Gilbert, what we need here is RTPR........ maybe 5Y's economy sucks, people are cutting back on non essentials, not buying classics, not fixing classics, not signing up to C3VR, Adam is worried.
It will pass as stated.
What I sugest is everyone keep a dozen or so C3VR flyers in your vette and when you go to your local cruise nights hit on the C3 owners. Everyone hands out flyers at shows. Just do not leave them on the seats! put them on the dash or windshield or face to face.
 
 Saw the whole thing, dude. First you were all like "whoa", and we were like "whoa", and you were like "whoa..."
.......That would be the turtle Dude in finding Nemo...........CRUSH
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7/15/11 12:14pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Lemon Grove, CA - USA

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1982 C3 Collectors Edition 44000 miles, sat in the sun most of it's life, My wife purchased it for me for fathers day in 2007 from her girl friend that had it for 19 years. It is on the road again. I'm retired but it is now my daily driver.

Joined: 10/17/2007
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I forgot about CRUSH  find a solution do not fret about the problem. 

Great idea on the flyers actually.  Where do you get them or did you make them up?  In either case and someone put them on the site where a pdf of them could be downloaded and printed when we need them. 

Adam just what you wanted a change.  Could you put up a place that pdf flyers could be so that you could click and drag one down. It could be used for gathering and other things.  Of course there could be a place on the forum that already has that I just do not know about it

Ebo CRUSH uh.  That fits.



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7/15/11 12:16pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Lemon Grove, CA - USA

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1982 C3 Collectors Edition 44000 miles, sat in the sun most of it's life, My wife purchased it for me for fathers day in 2007 from her girl friend that had it for 19 years. It is on the road again. I'm retired but it is now my daily driver.

Joined: 10/17/2007
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Ebo Now we have really hijacked this thread and you are in trouble.

Adam it is Ebo's fault.   He made me do it.Embarrassed

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7/15/11 12:17pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Equinunk, PA - USA

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1972 conv, 4-speed, 350, 200hp, numbers match, rally wheels, war bonnett yellow w/white top. good condition, nice driver.

Joined: 10/31/2007
Posts: 1895
Confused  C2VR?  SCURVY?  I must have missed something somewhereSleepy. New MEMBERS are super people. They add to the fun and make the caravan looooonger. Clap  Come on down and introduce yourselves. EBO still has room at the "Pad" and can fire up another grill. Bring marshmallows and chocolate. Big smile  YYYYY   Cool 

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7/15/11 12:25pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Joined: 6/3/2008
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http://www.c3vr.com/VRInfo/NewMemberInfo200706.pdf
Here you go the info is under the "Home" drop down.
We all love this site and I always talk it up to any C3 owner I see. Very easy for every one to just keep a few flyer's with them for hand outs.
This thread is derailed for sure.
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7/15/11 1:10pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Elma, WA - USA

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Joined: 6/25/2007
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Adam, it was shortly after I joined as a lifetime member that the "mother hen" approach reared its head. If you remember about 3 years ago you lost a few good people because of that issue. I don't remember that being an issue when I was a gold member for 2 years before that.

Having been involved with a MX site that has over 18,000 members I do see how much, or little work it takes to run a site. Now that is a free site so we don't have the challenges of all the money changing hands.

You ask for input, I gave you mine and because it wasn't what you wanted to hear maybe step back and take a look at it. In my business I learn a lot from my customers and ask often for their feedback.
That has proven invaluable to our success.


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7/16/11 2:42pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Temple City, CA - USA

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1969 Daytona Yellow. 350 / Automatic.

Joined: 10/3/2010
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All,
I am here because I've gotten invaluable advice, both from my own questions and from researching previous posts.  And this forum doesn't nail me to the wall if I choose to use a non-original part for cost or reliability reasons, or just because I want to.

I'm a Standard member because I didn't see any perks from the Gold level that I needed.  I'm not a Lifetime Member (although I wanted to be) because it would take 20 years for the Standard level cost to meet the Lifetime cost.  I don't expect to live that long.

As to banter.  Since the first mailing lists, forums on Compuserve and America on Line, and bulletin boards, Moderators have tried to keep posting on topic.  But, it's the banter that has always made these forums seem like clubs.  I can see both sides, so I know that Adam has quite a job to do, keeping the posting useful and yet fun.

I don't post much because as yet, I don't know s**t about Corvettes.  Now I will go back to 'lurking.'  (lurkers=people who just read in forums or chats and never say anything.)

Too bad there aren't more members/activities out here in Los Angeles.  Oh yes, I almost forgot, I also use this site to find vendors.  All by parts have come from vendors listed here.
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7/16/11 3:50pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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1976 Stingray matching numbers. Stock 350 rebuilt, comp cam, roller rockers, push rods, 2.02 valves, +.30 flat tops, frontend & suspension rebuilt Dec 08. Interior from firewall 90% July. New exhaust, Collector plates, Paint will have to wait...& wait.

Joined: 12/18/2008
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Good comments eldredjames. Sounds like there are a few differences in opinions which is common in groups of any size. First of all from a Canadian point, I asked Adam if the members map was going to include Canadian member’s locations, he emailed me recently and explained why it does not at this time, I hope to see it in the future. I also raised the question of the $50.00 difference in cost to become life time member from outside USA, as this is basically an internet site.  No harm was meant by either of these questions, there are no other indifferences that I am aware of. I am considering this because I appreciate the depth of information/willingness to share this information and enjoy the camaraderie of other members, including the pokes and jabs in good fun from others. I believe that “I” fit in here for the same reason others do “we have a passion for our cars” we like to share or be involved in that passion, with others. I had the good fortune to participate in the Bend Oregon gathering which reinforced my beliefs in this site and the members here, thank you to those that attended. I am sure that others attending C3VR gatherings will find the same hospitality, it is the members and I look forward to meeting others in the future. As far as the extra cost of membership I think that $50.00 to mail a T-Shirt and Laminated Dash Plaque outside the US is a bit much. As for the survey, I replied and added my name to my comments but I will add, it is a survey therefore you ask for everyone’s opinion, a summary of results would be interesting to us all, to help build C3VR. I personally think posting parts of anyone’s survey should not be done, like the comments or not that was their opinion you asked for. Great site, great information and great people, time to move forward, have a great day.

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7/16/11 4:21pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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Oak Creek, WI - USA

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1981 Great White Shark. Red Interior, 350/190hp. PS, PB (SS), A/C CC, T-Tops, Going to remain as Stock as possible. Served three years in Active Duty Army, then Retired Air Force after 34 years! Badger State Vetts Car Club. 175,000 Original miles!!

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Red Wire??  What Red Wire.  We are all here to share information and meet new friends.  I have/am doing just that and I am not going to get all "wierded out" about staying on topic or wondering if anything that I say is going to make somebody made at me.  If you ask me a question or my 2 cents worth, I am going to give it to you!!  Once again I will say that this is a teriffic site with terrific people!!
<Going back to my "shark" and find the "red wire".>
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7/16/11 11:04pm - Reply: 'Please consider our new members'
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1979 Corvette Coupe Corvette Light Blue Midnight Blue interior Mirrored Glass T-tops

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I have been kinda holding back from commenting on this issue until now. I visit these foums at least once a day just to see whats going on and get a chance to catch up wth the FRIENDS I have met on this site. The whole reason I became a LIFETIME member on this site was to be a part of this group I have been involved with since 2008. But my FAVORITE part of this has been getting to meet and interact with a GREAT group of people (NE mainly, but the gathering was mind-blowing Cool). I have never seen a new person who asked a question NOT have it answered fully and thoroughly. Are there sometimes inside jokes and off topic reponses, YES, but if these people would get only casually involved, they  would quickly know whats going on. I have never seen a new member disrespected on made fun of in any way (we get to know you first). As Dan (The Rook) has so eloquently stated, this is a web site that has become a club. It is my favorite place to come AND some of my favorite people to hang out with. I hope we never loose the personal touch that has become part of this site. If anyone would give this site a chance they would love it, too! Rant over.
 
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#1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas

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Otay...I've calmed down...Embarrassed

I think the whole idea that Adam is trying to get across is that some new members, or visitors, may not get how some of us do things. We joke around with each other(sometimes a little too much), and it may seem a bit odd to new folks. I've been on other forums...just too much bickering, and meanness for me. Perhaps that's what everyone is accustomed to, but prolly tired of. A new member takes a gander at some of the threads/posts here, and thinks it's the same-ol same-ol, with name callin and such. They don't KNOW that we are all really friends, and just pokin fun at each other....they just see what might be interpreted as flaming....and they move on.
A suggestion would be to at least use the available Smilies to lessen the perceived harshness of a post. IE; Joel, you big dummy!
Mama is one of those people that you cannot joke around with too much, because she doesn't always get the joke, or she make take offense at it. There are plenty of others like her, that just may not get it. Doesn't make them bad people, or people that don't have a right to be here....they're just different..or maybe it's US that are different.
Does that make sense?
We don't want to keep anyone from enjoying their visits here, be they Lifers, or Newbies. The real point is to please consider that a newbie might not get that inside joke...especially if it has nothing to do with the original topic. All that is being asked is to Please have some consideration for our New(er) Members when posting. Not ALL of them are nutz like some of us, but we would like for them to hang around, and get to know us. Remember, we were ALL newbies here once, and were made to feel Welcome....Just asking for everyone to continue that.


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Wow! So, I'm fairly surprised at what a conversation this post has started.  I'm glad there are so many of you willing to share your thoughts and opinions on this matter.  Here are some more of my responses to some of the most recently postings...

[QUOTE=The Rook]I'm sure that some people lose site of how hard it is to run a web site. Its not just " plug and play" There is so much behind the scenes BS that has to happen, that it can become a full time job to own and run a websiste.[/QUOTE]
It does take a lot of time, money and energy to run a website (let alone multiple sites like I do). There is only one of me and hundreds of you. I wish this were a full time job for me and I could employ people to help me, but it isn't and I can't.  So it's just me.  That, unfortunately has a negative impact on the level of service some people expect. All I can do is just apologize and explain the situation and hope they are understanding.

[QUOTE=ebo]What I sugest is everyone keep a dozen or so C3VR flyers in your vette and when you go to your local cruise nights hit on the C3 owners. Everyone hands out flyers at shows. Just do not leave them on the seats! put them on the dash or windshield or face to face[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tb2k82CE]Great idea on the flyers actually.  Where do you get them or did you make them up?  In either case and someone put them on the site where a pdf of them could be downloaded and printed when we need them. [/QUOTE]
You can (and always have been able to) find a flyer for download under the "Home" menu at the top, "Window Flyer
You can print them out yourself and do like ebo is suggesting. Also, if you do not want to pay for the ink, paper and electricity to print them, I will be more than happy to send you a bunch. Simply email or PM me how many you think you need and the date you need them by.  Please give me at least a week's notice.

[QUOTE=T-Mans70,73]You ask for input, I gave you mine and because it wasn't what you wanted to hear maybe step back and take a look at it. In my business I learn a lot from my customers and ask often for their feedback.[/QUOTE]
I know I asked for feedback and I was expected good and bad (although hoping for little bad, of course.) The entire reason I sent out the survey was to see if anything needed changing. I'm certainly going to be taking all the feedback into consideration.  Also, I hope you understand that just like you all are entitled to voicing your opinion (whether I'm specifically asking for it or not), I too am entitled to explain, justify things or defend myself when I feel it is needed.

[QUOTE=7643]As far as the extra cost of membership I think that $50.00 to mail a T-Shirt and Laminated Dash Plaque outside the US is a bit much....... a summary of {SURVEY} results would be interesting to us all,[/QUOTE]Please keep in mind, the items you list are the things sent out at startup of the lifetime membership.  You then have to consider that other things may be mailed to the member in the future, like Shark Bytes, and be able to cover those extra shipping costs in the future, for a lifetime.  Again, I'm not trying to screw anyone and make a ton of extra money just because they are non-US.  I'm just trying to cover my extra costs assocatied with it.  I will post the survey results soon.

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments.  And thank you all for your support!


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Thanks for the summary Adam.  Thumbs Up

As a direct answer to Elderdjames,  It is a little known secret that the East Cost guys (everyone east of the Mississippi) on this forum are afraid that if given a chance the Left Coast guys will take over and they are also envious of our weather. 

So to prevent that  there is a quota on joining from the Left Coast.  I think it is 1 for every 10 east coast guys.  Don't let Adam know I told you.  It is a deep dark secret (ebo told me all about it).  We Left Coast guys just have to work harder to get more C3 guys to join.  I'm printing some flyers up and soon we will over come and surprise them at a function. Clap


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