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I think its pretty snazzy myself. Anyone want to loan me a hunert grand?
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Well, gee Glenn...I would loan it to ya, but...I'd hate to think of ya blowin it all on that thing...
sorry...that just don't do anything for me(maybe a different color would help). I sure hope the name "Stingray" ain't nowhere near that car...
sorry...that just don't do anything for me(maybe a different color would help). I sure hope the name "Stingray" ain't nowhere near that car...
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Thanks for the quick look.... thats a lotta dough. Im not sure that the Mallet Bros couldn't hop up a Z06 fer less and it be quicker.
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Ok, i will show my ignorance. Could somebody explain why they would do this?
The supercharged V-8 will utilize an integrated intake manifold intercooler
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Anytime you compress air, it creates heat. Ever touch the top of an air compressor while it's running? OUCH!! 
With blowers(superchargers), or hair dryers(turbos), the air entering the intake is super heated(over normal ambient temp), so you want some way to cool the intake air charge. Some do it with intercoolers mounted up front, but the newest fad for hot-rods is to use an integrated cooler built into the intake tract. Several manufacturers have systems like this out for C5s. They are like a small radiator inside the intake that the heated, compressed air flows over, and cools. These systems use a coolant inside, mostly a water/"antifreeze"/alcohol type mixture, and a pump to pump the coolant thru the system. They will also have a second "radiator" mounted up front, to cool the coolant.
The cooler the intake air is on any engine, the more raw power it is capable of producing. So, if you are adding heated air to that with a blower(or turbo), you are kinda taking a small step backwards without some way to cool that air charge. Some of the energy provided by the addition of the blower is lost to heat. The addition of some kind of intercooler will also allow a bit more "boost" pressures to be run, compared to non-intercooled systems.
This help?
With blowers(superchargers), or hair dryers(turbos), the air entering the intake is super heated(over normal ambient temp), so you want some way to cool the intake air charge. Some do it with intercoolers mounted up front, but the newest fad for hot-rods is to use an integrated cooler built into the intake tract. Several manufacturers have systems like this out for C5s. They are like a small radiator inside the intake that the heated, compressed air flows over, and cools. These systems use a coolant inside, mostly a water/"antifreeze"/alcohol type mixture, and a pump to pump the coolant thru the system. They will also have a second "radiator" mounted up front, to cool the coolant.
The cooler the intake air is on any engine, the more raw power it is capable of producing. So, if you are adding heated air to that with a blower(or turbo), you are kinda taking a small step backwards without some way to cool that air charge. Some of the energy provided by the addition of the blower is lost to heat. The addition of some kind of intercooler will also allow a bit more "boost" pressures to be run, compared to non-intercooled systems.
This help?
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Very much helps, thanks Joel. My tech is still way way back in the 70's. More inches, headers, and a blower were the only power that mattered. Guess my life kinda went on a hold pattern when Disco died
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I hear ya, Dave!!
I've buit a few blown/injected engines back in the day, but I always prefered the "Ain't no substitute for "CUBIC INCHES"!!
I'm kinda like you, tho...all this new technology just don't make too much sense to me. Big cam, rod bending compression ratios, tunnel rams...aaahhh...da good old days!! 
When I moved here to Dallas in '86, my "driver" back home was a...ya ready fer dis? A tunnel rammed, 2x4 Holley 800 carbed, 521 ground poundin cubic inches of...'75 LTD!!!!! (The engine I took out of my '78 Pinto...also a street car!)
Call me crazy...
I've buit a few blown/injected engines back in the day, but I always prefered the "Ain't no substitute for "CUBIC INCHES"!!
I'm kinda like you, tho...all this new technology just don't make too much sense to me. Big cam, rod bending compression ratios, tunnel rams...aaahhh...da good old days!!
When I moved here to Dallas in '86, my "driver" back home was a...ya ready fer dis? A tunnel rammed, 2x4 Holley 800 carbed, 521 ground poundin cubic inches of...'75 LTD!!!!!
(The engine I took out of my '78 Pinto...also a street car!)
Call me crazy...
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Awww, the good ole day's is right!! Mine was a 351 blown Courier, complete with the Ferd 9' rear end, narrowed of course, to make room for serious rubber. Darn smog laws 
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Seriously, they are working well, i remember smog so bad during high school that i wouldnt walk home, red eyes just from lunch outside. Things that havent happen in over a decade, just a shame to loose that truck to them.
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I used to be fairly happy with my old 70 Buick Grand Sport. It was quicker than my present C3. Just not as classy. I do miss that car.
The engine produces power not mainly from combustion, but as of a result of combustion superheating the air in the cylinder. The more it is heated, the more it expands and makes more power. As a direct result, the more air you can put into the cylinder the more it creates pressure as the greater volume expands.
Hot air is an expanding mass. The more you compress it with a turbo or blower, the volume becomes hot due to the pressure and friction of compressing it. If you take that same compressed volume and cool it, it becomes more dense, and therefore has more volume of air in an equal space. This allows even more air into the cylinder, which then can create more expansion pressure, and more power.
Gotta love an intercooler. Chill that compressed air.
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Which begs the question...which weighs more...a pound of hot air, or a pound of cool air? 
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