Topic: 72 Purchase Mistake?
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I just purchases a 1972 454 Coupe sight unseen. I relied on recent digital pictures and lots of dialouge/trust with full knowlege that the car needed a full restoration.
The car arrived yesturday via car transport, and yes; it looked rough but at first glance just about what I expected. After a closer examination this is what I found:
The good news:
1. All the numbers matched and the car seems 90-95 % unmolested. The frame looks solid with only surface rust.
3. The engine sounds great with only 73K miles.
4. The body looks straight and all the pannels line up.
5. The dash looks mint and no mildew smell at all.
6. Most everything is working except the winshield wiper door is not opening.
The bad news:
1. Needs paint (which I knew)
2. Needs a new interior except dash (which I knew)
3. Needs tires, brakes exhaust (which I knew)
4. Tons of little things and full engine detailing (again I knew all this)
This is what I DIDN'T KNOW and I have admit now has me VERY concerned:
1. The passenger door is frozen/seized shut. I have tried everthing to get it open, but it is closed solid. I have no idea what to do?
2. There is significant rust along the insides of the windshield and the winshield itself does not look that great. Is this a major and very expensive fix for when the car when it goes in for paint at the body shop?
I paid 13K for the car I am now second guessing myself and wondering if I made mistake???--
Thank you, I would appreciate your thoughts.
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you still did ok,,the birdcage around the windshield may or may not need replacing,it may be just surface rust and a good epoxy sealer and rust inhibitor make take care of the problem, if it has to be replaced the part is about 500 bucks and a good welder can tack it in for you.As for the door, thats a good question, maybe the hinges are broken or the latch is seized up, either way it doesnt seem to me that it would be too expensive,,paint can run you as much as you want to spend,,but half the fun of owning a c3 is fixing it up,,you did ok,,rd
I'm no expert, but do have one thought for you. You'll no doubt get some good advice here, as this is a great forum - many very qualified C3 experts. However, for this specific question, I'd also post it at the NCRS technical discussion board. Their hole existence revolves around major restorations, and two things commonly discussed over there are:
1) The value of this car and is this project going to be worth the money
2) The "birdcage" repair that your car requires.
You seem to need advise in both areas.
The good news is the car needs new paint anyway. If the car had great paint, it makes the decision much harder, as you have to do some destruction to get all the rusted area out. For that reason and the fact that it is a big block, chrome bumpered Vette, I suspect you'll get answers that it is still worth the $$. But maybe only if it truly is an original big block car with #s matching engine. (Supposedly there are lots of phonies out there from the 67 - 72 range.)
Good luck!
1) The value of this car and is this project going to be worth the money
2) The "birdcage" repair that your car requires.
You seem to need advise in both areas.
The good news is the car needs new paint anyway. If the car had great paint, it makes the decision much harder, as you have to do some destruction to get all the rusted area out. For that reason and the fact that it is a big block, chrome bumpered Vette, I suspect you'll get answers that it is still worth the $$. But maybe only if it truly is an original big block car with #s matching engine. (Supposedly there are lots of phonies out there from the 67 - 72 range.)
Good luck!
just from my own experience i think you will probably find a few more rust problems when taking everything apart.. since your birdgage/windshield frame seems to have rustproblems you should take a look on the inside just inside the of the doorpillar where body mount 3 and 4 are .. big chance rust has eaten some metal away..........but.. everything can be repaired.. :) ( the windshield frame is famous for rustproblems .. maybe you need to put here an d there some new metal in it..in worse case you have to get a "new " windshieldframe)
your doorproblem.. can be rusted hinges. but probably doorlock mechanisme not working? take of the doorpanels and take a look inside there... to my idea i wouldn't be that much worried about the door problem
i can't judge about if you have paid too much since i have no idea about prices for such cars overthere.. but for here in europe you certainly haven't overpaid.. after restoration you will have a great car i think.
good luck
art-corvette
Perhaps if the bird cage is in that bad a shape ,the rust monsters have moved on down to the door post area for a better feeding ground.it could get ugly down there,I would deffinitely take off the inner door panels get some P.B. Blaster and work on the latch mechanism first and try to get that door open even a little bit,then you can get to the hinges and blast them too.do you know if this car was stored outside ?or maybe in a flood?Good luck with it,let us know what you find out

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That brings back memories. When I first got my 72 the passenger door wouldn't open either. Since I was replacing the interior, I ripped off the door panel and then used a lot of WD40 on all of the parts, under the outside door handle, the parts inside, etc, and after moving all of them around a bit, got it to open. It was just full of old crud and frozen shut, but works fine now. I am replacing the locking arms on both sides because they're in pretty bad shape.
I think you still got a good deal on your vette. Mine doesn't have the engine yours does, and that makes a difference in value. Mine has value because it's a convertible 4 speed with factory air.
I think you still got a good deal on your vette. Mine doesn't have the engine yours does, and that makes a difference in value. Mine has value because it's a convertible 4 speed with factory air.
You probably will have to remove pannel. If the door linkage is frozen a good lube job and some time should do the trick. You need to see if its the latch or the hinges that are frozen. Don't worry you'll get it. I think you have a fun project on your hands. I wish I could run into something like that. Good luck, and welcome to the site. Terry
As a former locksmith, it is highly unlikely that the lock itself is rusted, corroded maybe, but not rusted. PB Blaster will help you a great deal.
To make life easier on yourself, pull the passenger seat, then pull the door panel. If you don't already know, you will have a keeper key on the window roller (if not electric windows). The hinges might well be frozen however, more PB Blaster will certainly loosen things up.
Terry and the others are correct, time and patience will help this work out. It helps if you can do most of the work yourself. The cost will be much less if you can do the work.
As for the price, I thought I got screwed as well, but the more I do to fix her up, the more I realize I wanted a vette and any but a new one would constitute some investment and work.
I have attempted stuff I never thought I would and have been largely successful. Remember, first and foremost, she is a 35 year old used car.
If you do have a #'s match, you have a deal on your hands. Don't panic and keep at it!
To make life easier on yourself, pull the passenger seat, then pull the door panel. If you don't already know, you will have a keeper key on the window roller (if not electric windows). The hinges might well be frozen however, more PB Blaster will certainly loosen things up.
Terry and the others are correct, time and patience will help this work out. It helps if you can do most of the work yourself. The cost will be much less if you can do the work.
As for the price, I thought I got screwed as well, but the more I do to fix her up, the more I realize I wanted a vette and any but a new one would constitute some investment and work.
I have attempted stuff I never thought I would and have been largely successful. Remember, first and foremost, she is a 35 year old used car.
If you do have a #'s match, you have a deal on your hands. Don't panic and keep at it!

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Vette(s): 1979, Targa Blue (72 Color), Pace Car rear spoiler, L88 hood, Dark blue factory interior, 525HP 406, HD 700R4, 370 gears,Steeroids, composite rear spring, TT IIs wrapped in T/A Radials.
The good is just that - good.
The bad really isn't all that bad - a lot of it is expected with the age of the car
As for what you didnt know, the bird cage can be repaired and does not a bad investment make. The advice above for the door is the way to go.
For a decent running matching #s big block car, I honestly think you didnt do too bad. Check the chassis where the trailing arms mount to the frame pockets for rust. Also check the front upper spring pockets - the welds tend to let go and the sections start to separate.
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