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which grill correct? other side

Posted: 4/24/08 4:16am Message 1 of 10
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Vette(s): 1970 corvette conv, 350 auto.
OK Two diffrent style grill on my 1970 Vert.....never realy bothered by it but would like to make it correct....is one early and the other late...bad repro, or wrong year....any idea's? also the bolts that are in the airflow area of the grill look like they should be attacthed to something...sone sort of bracket to stiffen these up..kinda loose...obviously the big pan heads dont belong there, and there are some svrews missing....would like to fix it up so that it is correct....any help...realy appreceated!!!!!
                                              


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which grill correct? other side

Posted: 4/24/08 5:15am Message 2 of 10
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Vette(s): 1968 convertible; 1980 L-82
Purchase the '70 assembly instruction manual (AIM) and take a look at the stock set up.  The AIM will ist the part numbers of the original grilles and you might be able to check those against what you have found on the car.  If memory serves, 70 grilles had the visible screw heads for mounting.  71 and 72 do not have the screws.  Don't quote me on that. 
 
Most obvious to me are the missing headlight shields.  There are a pair of black plastic shields which should be behind the grilles and in front of the headlights.  http://www.parts123.com/parts123/yb.dll?parta~dyndetail~Z5Z5Z50000050g~Z5Z5Z5AAYMD~P34.95~~~~S2CR0HJ1VK16211403136c~Z5Z5Z5~Z5Z5Z50000050G
Corvette Central has them and I'm sure they are available from the other aftermarket providers.
 
 
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Posted: 4/24/08 5:55am Message 3 of 10
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Vette(s): 1970 White L-46 Air Roadster, 1971 White LT1 Coupe, 1971 Red Auto Air Coupe, 383 stroker, 430 HP, 2002 Millennium Yellow Auto Coupe
Its the other way around, Mike. The '70 had studs that poke out the rear , and are attached with nuts. The VERY LATE '70 thru 72 had the screws. The Grills are VERY hard to find, but I see them pop up from time to time.
 
There is a guy listed in driveline that is repairing the '70 grills now, so if you find a studded one, BUY IT, even if the studs are broken!




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Posted: 4/24/08 6:20am Message 4 of 10
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Vette(s): 1971 Brands Hatch Green L48 Coupe Automatic Driver - restored 1995
My 71 has is held with screws as well.


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Posted: 4/24/08 11:24am Message 5 of 10
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[QUOTE=MikeMc71]...Its the other way around, Mike. The '70 had studs that poke out the rear , and are attached with nuts. The VERY LATE '70 thru 72 had the screws....[/QUOTE]
 
I told you not to quote me.  Tongue
Thanks for the correction.  68s and 69s have the stud/spin nut set up, so I should have put 2 and 2 together.
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Posted: 4/24/08 4:05pm Message 6 of 10
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Vette(s): 1971 383 Stroker- mille miglia red...5 speed
 What are the holes on the inside center of the grills next to the vertical 'bumperettes' for? They're on my '71 but not screwed to anything, which doesn't surprise me. There lots of thing not screwed to anything on my Vette, like the nut behind the wheel. LOLlonghorn2942008-04-24 16:08:34


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Posted: 4/24/08 6:24pm Message 7 of 10
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Thanks Guys, There are a few other things that I would like to get correct...washer pump ...and weather to have the headlight wash set up or not,...and a few others...Sometimes parts are mentioned as Early 70 or late 70.......this must have been a year that a lot of changes took place, How can I tell if my car is conscidered an early 70 or late 70, window pillar #194670s415457 Thanks again


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Posted: 4/25/08 7:05am Message 8 of 10
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[QUOTE=engineguy63]...Sometimes parts are mentioned as Early 70 or late 70.......this must have been a year that a lot of changes took place, How can I tell if my car is conscidered an early 70 or late 70, window pillar #194670s415457 Thanks again[/QUOTE]
 
"Early" and "late" usually refers only to the specific change in question.  The '70 models had the shortest Corvette production run and only about 17000 were produced.  Your car is #15457 out of a total of 17316, putting your car near the end of production.  Technically, that's "late" if compared to a '70 built in January or February.
 
My advice would be to purchase the 1970 assembly instruction manual (AIM).  If parts changed during a model run, there will be page revision dates in the AIM listing the change and usually a note explaining the change.  The National Corvette Restorer's Society 70-72 Judging Manual is also helpful in identifying running changes.
 
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Posted: 4/25/08 8:37am Message 9 of 10
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I agree with Mike, the AIM and NCRS guides are valuable guides. Please remember the NCRS guides are just that, guides. They are admittedly wrong in some sections, and leave no room for anomalies that did happen during production. NCRS is aware of this, and keeps working to change some of these problems.
 
The holes in the upper center should have screws in them. There is a little 90 degree bracket that is supposed to be there, but I have seen this missing on a lot of cars. I'll try and remember to take a picture of one of mine and post it here.




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Posted: 4/25/08 9:03am Message 10 of 10
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Vette(s): 70 LT1 coupe, 69 350 HP coupe, 69 390HP 427 coupe, 71 LS5 convert, 85 coupe, 93 coupe
MikeMc71 is correct about the studs.  They were used through most of the 70 model year.  The 71+ style uses an oval head screw where you have the big pan heads.  The later ones are available in repro for almost $450.00 each, and are considered replacements for 70.  I have talked to people who bought the new style, then sent them to a company that filled the holes, installed studs, and rechromed them.  That must have been cheap!  I keep hoping for a good repro, as I need a pair for my 70 LT1 car, which has been sitting patiently waiting for attention for about 10 years.

The screw holes you mention are for a bracket that holds the grill to the bumper guard.

You should also install the headlight shields.


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