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1979 A/C re-charging

Posted: 9/23/10 6:42pm Message 1 of 21
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OK, I got some R12, thanks to Larry.  Can someone send me step by step instructions to re-charge.  Cannot find my old notes.  I have the origianl service manual, it was written for shop workers back in 79.  When I paid someone the last time I did it he put the R12 in at the top of the dryer, there is a fitting near the larger line that goes into the evp/box.  I do not have a site glass.  Fitting near back of compressor also, goes to top of dryer, large line.  3rd fitting on small line that goes to the condensor, front of car. 

May have the name of my parts mix up???



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1979 A/C re-charging

Posted: 9/24/10 2:27pm Message 2 of 21
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dang dude i wish i could help you the only way i have ever charged a car was to vac the whole system then weight in the charge i have never had much luck with just toping off the system and what kind of pressures you will be looking for sorry


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Posted: 9/24/10 2:36pm Message 3 of 21
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You can use the fitting on the compressor OR the accumulator/dryer for the low side hose.
The small, metal line is the high side. the fittings should be different sizes, also, with the larger of the two being the low side(suction), and the smaller fitting the high pressure.
Are you just topping off, or doing a complete re-charge? If the system is empty, you really do need to have it evacuated first. If it is still cooling, but just low, you can add to it with no problems.
You want to see about 30 psi on the low(suction) side, and around 200 or so on the high side. You should have a fan of some kind blowing thru the condenser while doing this, to help keep the high side pressures down.
If you do not have any gauges, be very careful!!! Too much freon will lock the compressor up, or pop a hose. Neither will make your day...



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Posted: 9/24/10 5:47pm Message 4 of 21
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I was just going to top off.  The system is barely cooling, compressor cycles allot. This will be the third time I do it since I restored the car in the early 90s.  Nothing has been done to the system.  I let it go for a long time has been needing a topoff for some time now.

The fitting behind the compressor is on the line assembly that bolts on to the back of the compressor.
 
I read about the fan in my manual.
 
Found this here also on this site.
outdoor temp @ 80, low 23-29, high 170-205
                           90, low 26-35, high 205-245
                           100, low 31-40, high 245-285
Chart came w/ the members gauges, he as been use this guide for 25 yrs w/ good luck.
 
Seem pretty simple?
 



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Posted: 9/24/10 7:25pm Message 5 of 21
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Ambient temps do play a part in how much freon the system will need. You can tell if the system is low just by connecting the gauges to it, and checking the static pressures(before running the engine or the A/C). The system pressure should very close to ambient temperature. For instance, if it is 80 degrees outside, then your system pressure(static) will also be around 80-85 psi. If it is 100 deg outside, system pressure will be in the high 90s for psi. Just a quick way to see if the system is low on freon.


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Posted: 9/24/10 8:05pm Message 6 of 21
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Thanks for all the help Joel.


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Posted: 9/25/10 10:02am Message 7 of 21
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Joel please review my notes and let me know if I have it right?
 

Setup:  Hose hookup looking at gauges.

 

Left gauge hose hooks to the LOW SIDE back of compressor or accumulator / dryer, large fitting/connection.  This is the suction line.  30 PSI

 

Middle hose is the R12 feed.  Purge lines w/ R12 before hookup.

 

Right gauge hose hooks up to HI SIDE on small line / small fitting/connection. 200 PSI

 

Have a fan blowing across blowing across the condenser, front of car.

Start engine and let car get to idle, A/C off.

Set A/C to NORM and fan to hi, start Freon feed.  Add some, stop flow watch pressures.

When done remove middle line first.

 

If adding oil, (and I will be, 4oz can) do that first.

 

Quick Test to see if Freon is low:

 

Static test pressures, car not running.  Hook up same, psi should match outside temps on hi side.




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Posted: 9/26/10 5:03pm Message 8 of 21
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Well I tried it, clearly I don't know what I am doing, good grief : (


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Posted: 9/27/10 10:16am Message 9 of 21
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It all looks fine, except you want the A/C on High, and high blower.
Is the compressor kicking in at all? If it is really low on freon, the compressor will not come on, but adding some freon to it should cause it to kick in.
The gauge hoses are usually color coded. Blue for low side/suction, red for high side/pressure, and yellow for intake from the can/jug. Only open the valve on the LOW side of the gauges...NOT the high side. Opening BOTH can cause high pressure to be pumped into the freon can, and cause it to explode!! The only real reason you would ever want to open the high side valve would be to equalize the high/low side pressures after charging, or when evacuating the system.


When you're done, close the valve and let the system equalize before removing either of the hoses. This will allow time for the pressures in the hoses to lessen, making much less of a mess when you disconnect them. The middle/feed hose does not need to be removed from the gauges, or the can.
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Posted: 9/27/10 2:50pm Message 10 of 21
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Yes the compressor does cycle.  I was opening both sides and the low side pressure would go very high when I opened the valve on top of the R12 can, releasing the freon.
 
 The high side was not going up at all.
 
OK so my first mistake was opening the high side, got it.  Thank God the can did not explode.  I will try again next weekend.
 
I don't have a yellow gauge, just a yellow line to feed the R12, just blue and red gauges.  What color scale do I read on the gauges, they have black / outer and red inner.
 
Call I call you when I attemp this again?



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