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Last weekend my son and i took a short, cold drive to town and discovered we have a very inadequate amount of heat in the car.After doing several searches in the forums for a problem i'm currently having I've come up with a list of troubleshooting steps of what i've done and what's still left to do so i wanted to run it by the crowd in case i missed something.
Car is 1980 C3 with L48 350. With the car warmed up and the temp gauge barely moving above 100 and the heater on hot and blower wide open. I have plenty of air movement, but not very warm air.
Steps I've already taken
With the car idling in the driveway I can feel the radiator hoses are both warm and both heater hoses are warm and they seem about the same temp.
The radiator is a DeWitts aluminum with stock engine driven fan for now. Plan is to put electric.
I don't know what temp thermostat is currently in it and plan to replace it when i move to the next troubleshooting step. The plan is for a 180 degree thermostat.
There is a vacuum operated valve on the heater hoses hear the firewall that i'm assuming opens and closes the water flow to the heater core. I removed the vacuum hose with the engine running and heat on high, but feel no vacuum in the line going into the firewall. I tried to pull a vacuum on the side of the line going to the valve and it will hold a vacuum leading me to believe the diaphragm in the valve is working. I didn't think to pull a vacuum and check the inside for an increase in heat.
In the cabin, i can hear the flap moving back and forth when i move the temp from cold to hot. But i don't know where the vacuum line goes from the heater core valve into the cabin to make sure it didn't come lose. If there is no vacuum, maybe the valve is staying closed ???
Since i'm planning to add electric fans, i thought while the system is drained, i would pull the heater hoses and try to back flush the heater core.
During the summer the gauge on the dash does run around 190-200 degrees with the A/C running, but during this trip and while idling in the driveway it would barely move above the 100 mark.
Anything else i may have missed ? Might it be worth wile to replace the vacuum valve with a manual one ?
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Heater core plugged? Common problem, cause we don't use them they fill up with gunk. Pull the core and flush it out. Mine works MUCH better after the cleaning.
It's a heck of a lot easier to pull the hoses off the engine than to pull the core, I think. I'd back flush it through the hoses. I'd also go back and see if you get warm air in the cockpit when you pull a vacuum on the valve. If you do, then you don't need to back flush, just find out why there is no vacuum to the valve.
I have a 180* thermostat with my DeWitts, and it rarely goes above that except in the summer with the a/c on. In fact, I'm wondering if I mistakenly put a 160* thermostat in it. Hell of a radiator.
I have a 180* thermostat with my DeWitts, and it rarely goes above that except in the summer with the a/c on. In fact, I'm wondering if I mistakenly put a 160* thermostat in it. Hell of a radiator.
hi I don't know how much water pressure
have but keep it low to flush heater core use only water if something is in core it will come out just use water not high pressure and check heater control valve rs of engine by exhaust manifold make sure this is opening take your time let us know dwa175
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Without knowing your history with the car this post may be useless but there is another possibility. It is fairly common to install a manual water cutoff valve in the water lines going to the heater core. This is done to completely shut off the hot water to the core during summer. Mine are hidden in the lower part of the hose under the car and out of sight. If you haven't already checked, make sure there isn't a valve somewhere that is closed and preventing hot water from getting to the core.
The vacuum line that goes to the factory vacuum water shut off on my 82 comes through a 3 port grommet in the firewall near the distributor and feeds from a plastic valve mounted under the dash just above the glove box. I had to replace some of those vacuum lines to get my factory valve to function properly. The plastic valve gets its vacuum from a "T" in the line near the brake booster, yours may be different. Hope this makes sense and helps you troubleshoot.
The vacuum line that goes to the factory vacuum water shut off on my 82 comes through a 3 port grommet in the firewall near the distributor and feeds from a plastic valve mounted under the dash just above the glove box. I had to replace some of those vacuum lines to get my factory valve to function properly. The plastic valve gets its vacuum from a "T" in the line near the brake booster, yours may be different. Hope this makes sense and helps you troubleshoot.
Thanks All for the suggestions. I did check for a manual valve inline and there are none there. now that i understand when vacuum should be there and what it does it will help to troubleshoot. I've been called to go out of town for work, so it will be a couple weeks before i can report back, but it's now top of my to-do list ! I'll certainly respond once i get this done !
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DarinM said: Thanks All for the suggestions. I did check for a manual valve inline and there are none there. now that i understand when vacuum should be there and what it does it will help to troubleshoot. I've been called to go out of town for work, so it will be a couple weeks before i can report back, but it's now top of my to-do list ! I'll certainly respond once i get this done !
Well..IF you have no vacuum to the in line solenoid in the heater hose..It is quite possibly the temp control cable that runs R/S of console from the master hvac mechanism to a BYPASS water shutoff valve that resides behind the glove box.The bypass does several things..When you switch to cold with A/C OFF it transitions mechanically AND vacuum wise to supply vacuum to shut the solenoid in the heater hose And..OPEN air duct vents for the other options on hvac..that bypass switch when temp is moved from OFF/COLD opens the hot water that provides def/heat..or just vent from outside.The cable has a turnbuckle that is used to get the adjustments so the temp control lever changes the MODE for the hvac..
the bypass is accessible-visible IF you remove 6 phillips head screws and the lamp-socket after opening glove box..The cable access is acquired by removing the R/S console panel..Jim
here's a good diagram of what does what..
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