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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 2/23/05 2:59am Message 11 of 83
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Savannah, GA - USA
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Vette(s): 1982CE,32,000 and counting. (fast!!) 1981 Vette, black on black. ZZ4 (quick!!)
kstyer is right.My shop guy told me that unless you have to change major parts it's not worth doing it.The r134a just don't cool as well are the old stuff.


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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 2/25/05 8:26am Message 12 of 83
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Badin Lake, NC - USA
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Vette(s): 1979 Red L-48 Corvette with Doeskin interior, 3-speed automatic, 3.55 rear; 1986 L-98 Coupe, 4+3 Manual - Satin Black and Purple (SCCA TT/Hillclimb Car); 1993 White LT-1 Coupe, Black Interior, 6-speed

Just to add  to the thread - I did mine. Got an interdynamics kit, with all the info, etc to change it over.  Also had a good guage set for 134a.  On mine, it was a matter of drawing it down, charging it with the new oil (which is compatible with the old R-12 oil) and charging with 134a. Took 3 cans and I was good to go.

According to a licensed AC guy the only issue with the 134a swap is that the original oil for 134a was not compatible with the R12 oils and would attack the seals.  This is not supposed to be a problem with the new kits.  Napa, Pep boys, and just about any auto parts place sells the interdynamics kit for about 30-35 bucks.  So it isn't expensive.  Have used this same kit on 3 other cars with great results and have not had any problems after several AC seasons in NC.

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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 2/25/05 5:40pm Message 13 of 83
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Vette(s): 1982 Black over red, doing a resto.

I still have not had time to work on the air yet, I'm still doing other things when I have time. I did make sure to seal all the air ducts and the HVAC case, did find the vent on the right side kick panel froze open and the seal bad. That would let hot air in when using the A/C, or cold air in when using the heater. Sure is a money pit, Like a boat! A boat is a hole in the water to dump money into! LOL!

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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/12/05 10:09am Message 14 of 83
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Vette(s): 1979 T-Top, Metallic Green ZZ4 350/355 hp 405 ft/lbs torque Dual Spal Fans 700R4 4 Spd O/D Transmission 2004 Z06 Commemorative Edition
My system is m-t, so I guess it's as good a time as any to go 134a. It gets hot and humid in STL area in the summer. I figure I'll need it.


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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/12/05 2:00pm Message 15 of 83
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Vette(s): 2004 Commemorative Edition Coupe, Auto w/HUD. 13K miles in 2015. Sold 1982 Red Coupe
When I bought my 82 last April, the AC didn't work and had not worked for at least eight years. I took it to a local garage where they check for leaks. Checked out OK so they replaced some hoses and valves, charged it up and I was cool all summer. Cost me about a buck fifty. We'll see how long it lasts. Hope to get it out of storage by April 1.


 
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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/12/05 4:00pm Message 16 of 83
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Vette(s): 1968 Conv, 454HO,500HP-600TQ, TKO-600,3:70 HD rear,hotrod air, custom paint & suspension,1973 Ruby Red,T-top, 383 Stroker, TK)-500,frame off restro, 1967 Dodge Coronet, 340 stroker to 406, Dana 60

Ken couldn't have said it better. I've converted cars from r12 to 134a and when done properly there are no problems. The high side is up to 20% higher so a new compressor is needed. The less efficient cooling in a corvette would not be noticed. I converted my 91 Chevy 2500 Suburban with dual air a few years ago and it cools OK but not great like the new cars.  On each switch I replaced all the seals & flushed the complete system first and there was a lot of junk that came out.  So I would advise flushing the system. The sell a flush kit & it's not to much.

Alan




                                               

conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/23/05 11:03am Message 17 of 83
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Vette(s): 1978 L-82 Silver Anniversary hotrod. /////////////
I am about ready to start doing the same thing in my '78 with the "pancake" compressor. I got the compressor from Advance Auto Parts for $139.00 plus a new receiver/ dryer with orfice tube for $44.00. I haven't gotten deep into the job yet, but on the surface, I do not see the original rec./ dryer. Once I get deeper into the job, the location may become obvious, but in case it's not.... Where does the receiver/ dryer mount?

Also... what is involved in flushing the system and how does one go about it. I have converted a '67 T-Bird over several years ago with cavernous underhood space and do not recall any problems other than significantly reduced efficiency. I had all new hoses made up for that job and have aded only 1 pound of R-134 in 6 years. I am going to try this one using the existing factory hoses, then replace as necessary if they fail a leak-down test..

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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/23/05 2:44pm Message 18 of 83
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Vette(s): 1975 C3 Red, T-Tops, Black Interior. All I need is time and money! Getting there!

Look in the right wheel well behind the front wheel.

Flushing requires a pressure source and a special flush fluid.  It is just forced/sprayed through the system components.  Don't flush the compresser or dryer.  You also don't want to flush the expansion valve or orifice, depending on which on you have.  Replace an orifice valve, only a couple of bucks.  Flush the expansion valve BACKWARDS, and out of the system.  Otherwise the crud in the inlet screen will clog the system.

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conversion from R12 to R134

Posted: 3/23/05 3:03pm Message 19 of 83
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Ken,

I guess this special fluid is available at a parts house. How much is used in the process? Is it a one-pass deal?

I might be able to use an air/oil tank or a pump-up garden spray bottle as a pressure source.

Dave


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Posted: 3/23/05 3:11pm Message 20 of 83
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Ken,

PS: Thanks... Ida never thunk to look inside the wheel well until a hose led me there!

Dave


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