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Overheat... kind of

Posted: 11/1/05 1:40pm Message 11 of 26
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All good info, and I did some reading as well.
 
If it stops raining, I'll stop by the garage tonight and top it off first to see how much of a difference it makes.  I think I am very low on the coolant level.
 
Second, I'll check the oil to see if it's milky.  If it is, I'll have the guys who will replace my exhaust system replace the head gaskets and take a look at the piston rings (I heard it could be related to the smoke I have seen here and there.).
 
Thanks for all the input.  I'll keep the updates coming.



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Posted: 11/2/05 8:21am Message 12 of 26
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You need to know the true temp. of any motor before throwing parts at it. If your hitting 260 deg. for any period of time your in the boiling or danger zone and damage can be done. If you truly did hit 300 degrees I'm suprised your not sweeping up pieces of motor off the highway!!


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Posted: 11/2/05 9:21am Message 13 of 26
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I agree with my7t1, if the temp reading is true,I think you have a cracked block. the oil is one of the first things you should of checked


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Posted: 11/4/05 9:38am Message 14 of 26
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Little update :
 
Last night, I emptied and cleaned the overflow cooling tank (then add mix to the cold line).  The radiotor (cold) was half way filled.  I added a full gallon of mix (50% distilled water/ 50% green coolant).  It brang it to about 5-6 inches from the top.  After 5 minutes (of doing nothing), it was down to 10-12 inches from the top.  I then added another quart and started the car with the radioator cap off.
 
The temp went up to 150 in about 2 minutes (at a steady pace).  I could see the level of coolant slowly coming up as well. 
 
THEN, from 150 to 190 in about 10 seconds and right before 200, smoke (fumes) came out of the radiator.  I quickly felt the upper hose; no flow and cold.  I then stopped the car. The coolant level went back down to about 12-14 inches from the top.
 
Fearing the worst, I then verified the oil.  As far as I know, the oil is fine.
 
Having no clue of why a full gallon of fluid would dissapear and being almost 10pm, I did the next best thing;  I called a friend of mine and went to the nearest watering hole to talk about it while playing pool!  After my emotions came back to normal (and 3 beers) I told him all about my car while he pretended to listen and he told me everything that he hate about his job while I pretended to listen.
 
A watercooler conversation at work this morning led me to think that I might have run the car for a while with the radiator cap not properly set and I could have emptied it overtime through evaporation.  I am now thinking of filling it entirely to the top while the engine is running and take it from there.
 
If I can get it to run okay for a good 15 minutes without hitting more than 220, that will be enough to bring it somewhere where they can do a full flush and pressure test the cap again.
 
BTW, is it me or I couldn't locate the temp sending unit ?  Did I look too hard while it was right in my face or I have to find a new way to twist my arms backward to reach it ?
 



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Posted: 11/4/05 10:32am Message 15 of 26
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If the top hose was cold and the engine was hot, you definitely have a circulation problem. Exactly the same symptoms I had on the '86. Did you try filling it through the heater hose and letting the coolant run out the radiator top? That insures you have the system full with no air pockets. If it's still hot with a cold upper hose, sounds like your water pump has laid down.

I think I remember that it didn't have a t-stat in it when the problem cropped up, so that eliminates a defective t-stat. Just for the helluvit, you might put the stat in a pan of water on the stove top and watch to see if it opens before the water boils......

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Posted: 11/4/05 8:12pm Message 16 of 26
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Stephane, fill the rad. to the top(within 1-2"), put the cap on, and make sure the overflow is full. Then run it long enough to get to operating temp. It may take 20 min., but it really sounds like its just not full of coolant.

When it gets to op. temp., shut it off, and let it sit for a while. That will allow the engine to cool enough to draw the coolant in the overflow into the rad. Watch and make sure the overflow doesn't get empty. With the engine hot, once it cools some, it will create a vaccuum inside, and thats what draws the coolant from the overflow back into the rad.
You will notice, while its running, that the upper hose will collapse, and then open back up. This is when the vac. is present in the system, and drawing the coolant into the rad. If you run it without the cap on, once it starts getting hot, the level in the rad. is going to go up & down, and you're liable to get a face-full of hot coolant. NOT FUN!! Fill it, cap it, run it.

The temp sending unit should be in one of the heads, between the two front spark plugs on the drivers side, or the rear two plugs on the pass. side.Adams' Apple38660.8451851852


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Posted: 11/6/05 12:18pm Message 17 of 26
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Good news !
 
(I did this before I saw your post Joel).
 
I filled it to the top.  The overflow tank is at the cold line (when cold), so I guess I could add a little bit now that I've read your post.
 
Started the car, in about 3 minutes, went up to about 210 and then it finally kick in!  I guess the t-stat opened and and I could then feel the flow through the upper hose.  The temp went back to about 198.
 
So I took it for a spin, about 15 minutes in town, where the temp was about 215-220.  And then I took it on the highway for less than 10 minutes with a good full 5 minutes steady at 90mph.  The temperature went up to right under the red line (240 I think), so I would say it was about 238.
 
Got off the highway and drove it back to the garage at regular speed (45 mph).  The temp stayed at just about 235 for the next 15 minutes until I parked it.
 
It is still running a little high for me, but I think that now I can take it out for a full flush and refill (and I'll use water weter too).
 
I noticed something after the highway ride; when coming at a stop or red light, the oil gage needle would tap to max pressure (bouncing between 60 and high side).  If I would put the car in neutral (it's an automatic), then it would come back to about 55.  My oil gage has been showing 50-55 for a while now; it used to show dead on 40.  Is this related to cooling as well or I just found a new "project" ?
 



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Posted: 11/6/05 1:21pm Message 18 of 26
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Oil pressure usually tends to drop off as the engine heats, the more wear on the motor, the more noticeable the drop. I'm wondering if you might be having some kind of elec grounding issue along with the heating.


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Posted: 11/6/05 6:09pm Message 19 of 26
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[QUOTE=daveb12] Oil pressure usually tends to drop off as the engine heats, the more wear on the motor, the more noticeable the drop. I'm wondering if you might be having some kind of elec grounding issue along with the heating.[/QUOTE]

Me too!
Also, if it really was running that hot(according to the gauge), and it didn't puke it's guts out when you shut it off, I would question the validity of the gauge. Adams' Apple38662.7594328704


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Posted: 11/6/05 6:42pm Message 20 of 26
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Don't overlook the lower radiator hose. It has a spring in it to keep the hose from collapsing at highway speeds from vacuum pressure. If the spring has deteriorated and rusted away, the hose could be collapsing keeping coolant from leaving the block to the radiator to be cooled. When you slow down to lower speeds the hose opens back to normal shape and allow coolant to pass and the engine temp declines.

Your drive around town and then the 90 mph run seems to exhibit those symptoms.


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