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WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/16/08 5:06pm Message 1 of 19
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Vette(s): 70 VETTE 350/300HP, AUTOMATIC, ALL STOCK EXCEPT FOR MILD CAM,LAGUNA GREY, 3:55 POSI GEARS
HAD ISSUES WITH MY WATER TEMP GAUGE WORKING FINE NOW. GOT MY SYSTEM FLUSHED, NOW TEMP READS 190-210 WHEN CRUZIN ON STREETS, TOOK IT ON THE HWY OR WHEN ACCELERATING HARD, THE TEMP REACHES TO 220-230. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND, CITY DRIVING SHOULD BRING UP THE TEMP. WATER PUMP WAS REBUILT LAST YEAR, 160 THERM , RAD SEALS ON THE TOP AND BOTH SIDES, OVERFLOW TANK SEEMS TO BE 1/4 FULL WHEN IT COOLS DOWN, RAD LOOKS FAIRLY NEW I GUESS. WHEN OUT FOR A 1/2 HOUR DRIVE, I CHECKED WITH INFARA RED GUN, GAUGE SHOWED 205, TOP RAD HOSE AT OR NEAR THERMOSTATE SHOWED 194 BOTTOM RAD HOSE SHOWED 187, FRONT OF RAD SHOWED 172. WHY IS TEMP INCREASING ON HIGH SPEEDS WHEN MORE AIR IS HITTING RAD. I DO HAVE BOTTOM SPOILER. COULD IT BE A PLUGGED RAD/ DAMAGED RAD, BOTTOM HOSE SEEMS FINE. ANY IDEAS, BRINGING IT IN TOMORROW TO GET IT CHECKED.Confused


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WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/16/08 5:23pm Message 2 of 19
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Vette(s): Previous: 1984 Silver / Charcoal Coupe, 1988 Maroon Coupe / 1989 Artic White Coupe / 2001 Speedway White Roadster / Present:1976 Stingray Black / Black, Auto, 350 slightly modified (355 hp) Luxor Wires Redline Tires. / 1989 Roadster Bright Red...
Since your infa red gun shows you to be in the correct operating temperature I might surmise that the radiator is fine. How about the sensor? Could it be the culprit? Is the wire to the sensor okay? Is the interior gauge operating properly? Has the block been flushed on the engine? Could it have some crud in it? Lastly is the fan operating properly?

Sorry about all of the questions.... These are just some of the items that should be eliminated as well. Your temp readings point in a different direction than the radiator.



WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/17/08 9:08am Message 3 of 19
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If you drove it for a while with a 160 thermostat and the infrared gun showed 205, you have a problem.  My first suspicion is the rebuilt water pump.  Not all rebuilds are equal.  If high speed driving increases temp, the problem is almost certainly not airflow, but rather getting heat from the engine to the airstream.  That could be a dirty cooling system, bad water pump, blocked passages in the radiator, faulty thermostat, anything that hiders transfer of heat from the block to the fins of the radiator.

Larry



WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/17/08 9:29am Message 4 of 19
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Vette(s): 71 Colonnade Hardtop Coupe Torch Red with black interior originally L48 built to push around 360hp
OK JC. Now some may disagree, but coming from a 36 year rad man. When you run as low of stat as 160, whats happening is when the water hits 160 the stat opens. So, your water is running constantly through the stat and climbing to whatever the temp it wants to be. The idea of a stat is to allow the block temp to hit 180-195 (preferably for me), transfer into rad,  then the cooler water hits the stat and it closes. This allows the rad to pull the temp down, therefore starting the process over. Now when your bringing up RPM's the water flows through the system a lot faster, therefore not allowing the rad to do its job. Most guy's here run 180. I run 195 and my 350 motor sits right at that temp.
 
So my .02. Maybe worth a shot.



WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/17/08 10:44am Message 5 of 19
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Terry is rite in his summary.... I missed the 160 thermostat line.... I run the 195 thermostat too and was thinking this was your operating temperature range.

Changing the thermostat is an easy task to see if the temp gauge levels out correctly.



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Posted: 4/17/08 11:56am Message 6 of 19
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I missed another test you can do. Look inside you radiator. You may have to drop your water a touch. If its a plugged rad normally you will see a lot of lime buildup around tubes. A partially plugged rad will cause a higher speed overheat due to the engine is working harder.




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Posted: 4/17/08 2:37pm Message 7 of 19
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I agree with Terry and Larry. A cold temp T-stat lets the water flow to fast and you won't get the heat to transfer. If you said it would over heat at idle then I would suspect CFM's coming from the fan/fan clutch. Driving down the road moves more air then the fan draws so if it is getting warmer you need to make sure the rad is not cloded.


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73 coupe L48, Flat-top pistons, Performer RPM Heads, Crane Cam and roller rockers, Holley 650 vac sec. Performer intake,
3.55 gear BTO 200-4R trans,
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Magnaflow Exhuast System

Dewitt radiator and dual electric fans
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Posted: 4/17/08 2:54pm Message 8 of 19
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I have seen this numerous times on Vettes. One thing to check first is the condition of the radiator hoses, particularly the lower hose. At high rpms/high flow demand, the hose collapes and shuts off the flow. I have not done a search of the archives, but several members had a similar problem. The lower hose turned out to be the problem. It was a problem on my 75 when I first purchased it.

Scott



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Posted: 4/17/08 3:42pm Message 9 of 19
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Good thought Scott, make sure it has the spring inside it when you check it out.


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73 coupe L48, Flat-top pistons, Performer RPM Heads, Crane Cam and roller rockers, Holley 650 vac sec. Performer intake,
3.55 gear BTO 200-4R trans,
Leather seats, Seatbelt Plus 3point seatbelts, Pioneer CD player
Magnaflow Exhuast System

Dewitt radiator and dual electric fans
Borgeson Steering box
 


WATER TEMP PROBLEM

Posted: 4/17/08 6:20pm Message 10 of 19
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Vette(s): 70 VETTE 350/300HP, AUTOMATIC, ALL STOCK EXCEPT FOR MILD CAM,LAGUNA GREY, 3:55 POSI GEARS

HOW DO I KNOW IF BOTTOM HOSE IS DAMAGED. I FEEL THE INNER SPRING, BUT I NOTICED THE SPRING TO BE SMALLER IN SOME SPOTS THAN OTHERS. REGARDING THE THERMOSTATE I KNOW PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO USE THE 160 WITH NO ISSUES, COULD IT BE MY SENDING UNIT. HAD IT OUT TODAY FOR 45 MIN  INTERIOR GAUGE SHOWED 210, CHECKED WITH THE INFARED TOP HOSE NEAR THERMOSTATE WAS 192, BOTTOM HOSE WAS 182.




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