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700R4

Posted: 11/18/12 3:25pm Message 1 of 43
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In a different topic a lot came up about this transmission TH700R4 

So I am going to list what you will need to make it easy and professional so if at anytime in the future you need to do anything or the car is sold it will be as if the 700R4 was factory done.

Of course a tranny , I got a core off craigs list and you need a 31 spline unit so buy one 87 and up and a good car to get one from is the huge station wagons of the late eighties and early nineties as many had the corvette drive train in them. Make sure it is a 700R4 and not a later 4l60e which is an electronic 700R4 and WILL HAVE no TV cable on passenger side of tranny.

Get a cross member from BTO over drives I do not suggest there tranny because it costs so much , so get a core from craigs list and ask your local corvette club and people at cruise nights who they consider a top notch tranny builder .

TV cable comes in a universal unit where the end will hook up to the kick down carb linkage and the cable fits into the kick down holding bracket. And it is adjustable in length.

Tranny mount is same th350 to th700R4 

Dipstck tube . almost always there on a used tranny ( Core ) 

The biggest hassle is having drive shaft cut , but word of wisdom you also should get new U joints no matter what tranny you put in cause your there ,, anyway cutting a drive shaft and balancing it will be between 50 and 100 total with joints up op to 150.00

Torque converter I went with a 2400 stall cause I have a modded engine , if your modded 2400 to 2600 is fine any more would apply to 500hp and above so dont worry about 3000 or even 2800. Stock motor go stock stall speed on converter

If your tranny  now is solid and fluid is clean blow out existing tranny cooler lines with air if it is installed at a tranny shop ask them to flush lines ,, if you have a bad tranny and cant flush lines install a separate cooler and do not use cooler in radiator this avoids contamination of new tranny

Last but not least , ,shifterworks.com  YOU NEED THIS because it really makes job easier and allows you to not only have the auto 4speed detent on shifter but gives you tranny mounting hardware for shift cable and gives you the new lens that will show P R N D 3 2 1 

Overall once you get the parts together the process of installing tranny is no different then installing the th350 back into car ,, the cross member is sweet it really makes life easy and overall once it is complete it is really a WOW moment , one of those things you will do unlike any other because the take off power is there and when you hit open road and 4th gear kicks in your gonna say wow i guarantee it 
 


 





1980 , ZZ430 , 3.92 rear , 700R4 2400 stall NEW EZ EFI 
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Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/18/12 7:54pm Message 2 of 43
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Thanks for the info. Might be doing this next year. I had mine out for a run today and even with the 3.08 rear I'm turning about 2300 rpm at 60 mph; I keep waiting for the tranny to shift into overdrive...but it's a THM400. LOL 


 
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Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/18/12 9:32pm Message 3 of 43
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Good write up I'm thinking of doing mine too but I've been also looking in to the
 200 r4 conversion, you dont need a new crossmember, or drive shaft so I 
have heard. my motor is not "built" just stock 350 with a th400 3.08 gears.
I'm still researching. 




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Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 6:12am Message 4 of 43
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I have also heard that the R-4 200 will also work without doing a cross member change, and a few other small things, cables and such.  Where can you find a R-4 200, and what vehicles will cross/interchange with the mounts?  Just a basic change to get more MPG, no big HP or Mods.


Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 6:31am Message 5 of 43
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manchestershark said: I have also heard that the R-4 200 will also work without doing a cross member change, and a few other small things, cables and such.  Where can you find a R-4 200, and what vehicles will cross/interchange with the mounts?  Just a basic change to get more MPG, no big HP or Mods.

A 200-4R is 1/8 inch longer than a THM350 short shaft (27 3/4" vs 27 5/8"); you're '72 should have come with a THM400 short shaft which has a length of 28 1/4". A 700R4 has a length of 30 3/4 ". The 200-4R has a first gear ratio of 2.74:1 while the 700R4 has a first gear ratio of 3.06:1; the THM400 has a 2.48:1 first gear and a THM350 has a 2.52:1 first gear. The 700R4 will launch the best if you're keeping your old 3.08 rear end. That's the one I'm going with; best of both worlds, quicker launch and better MPG.


 
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Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 7:07am Message 6 of 43
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The 2004R is more a direct swap , When I was looking for a core I could not find a 2004R and the 700R4 was easier to find but took effort I was lucky to grab one off craigs  list for 150.00 paid my builder 800.00 to rebuild it and supply my 2400 stall T/Q converter . 

So if you can find a 2004R yes it is easier but one word of warning to those with low gear rear ends , in over drive  with a 3.08 rear once it hits od and locks up you may find your motor at to low an rpm which will cause the car to lug and the trans to shift up an down a lot on different road surfaces like hills or inclines. Now it may seam 1400 rpm at 55 is great but with out fuel injection you could hate what you end up with. Someone else may have a 3.08 and the O/D who could pipe in because I am going from what I expect you will encounter maybe someone has a real world experience and can tell us all how the combo works. 





1980 , ZZ430 , 3.92 rear , 700R4 2400 stall NEW EZ EFI 

Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 8:34am Message 7 of 43
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tonytheroofer said: The 2004R is more a direct swap , When I was looking for a core I could not find a 2004R and the 700R4 was easier to find but took effort I was lucky to grab one off craigs  list for 150.00 paid my builder 800.00 to rebuild it and supply my 2400 stall T/Q converter . 

So if you can find a 2004R yes it is easier but one word of warning to those with low gear rear ends , in over drive  with a 3.08 rear once it hits od and locks up you may find your motor at to low an rpm which will cause the car to lug and the trans to shift up an down a lot on different road surfaces like hills or inclines. Now it may seam 1400 rpm at 55 is great but with out fuel injection you could hate what you end up with. Someone else may have a 3.08 and the O/D who could pipe in because I am going from what I expect you will encounter maybe someone has a real world experience and can tell us all how the combo works. 



A very good point and something I have been thinking about. I've been thinking that a 3.36 rear would be a good compromise between a 3.08 and a 3.55. The 3.36 will cruise at 1750 RPMS with a .70 overdrive at 60 mph with a 27.1" tire (255/60/15) and the 1.63:1 second gear will give 3500 rpm at 50 mph for passing and climb to 5500 rpm at 80 mph. And it will still lug along at about 1500 rpm in overdrive at 50 mph. Decisions, decisions. Chime in anybody.


 
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Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 8:35am Message 8 of 43
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I have a ZZ4 (so not a LOT of HP), a 3.73 rear end and the TH350.  When I am going 65 mph I am cranking around 3300 rpm.  I don't like long drives at this sustained rpm.  Tony, you mentioned some prices in your original post.  IF I could find a decent tranny, what would be a good, all inclusive, approximate figure I would be looking at for a transmission shop to rebuild it, and for my good (and reasonably priced mechanic) to install it?


Warning: The surgeon general has declared that it is NOT unhealthy to smoke your competition AND I just discovered that my corvette is a hybred.  It burns gas and rubber! 

Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 8:56am Message 9 of 43
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Check out Extreme Automatics web page. They have overdrives that seem pretty decent. Lots of information.




Re: 700R4

Posted: 11/19/12 9:20am Message 10 of 43
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DWALKER,
Thank you for the idea.  I have sent them an e-mail asking them for their advice and suggestions.



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