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Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/20/13 5:55pm Message 1 of 26
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OK  It's happening again "the dreaded while your at it syndrome".  Was under the car looking at frame, replacing the gas tank and I noticed that there is grease that looked like it was coming from the side yoke seals on the differential.  After dropping the strut rods and spring and half shafts I think it's actually from the universal joint.  They were replaced and have grease fittings so I think Bubba pumped them full and it was spraying all over the undercarriage!  Anyway, I want to drop the differential anyway (to replace cover - see below) so I will check the seals.  A few questions:

1.  Is it hard to replace the side yoke seals?  I don't want to mess with the diff internals, shims etc.

2.  I've read all the posts on dropping the pumpkin with the cross member still attached so thats how I'm going to go, (need to replace the "sombreros" too) BUT  how do you get he front bracket to frame mounting bolt off (the vertical one not the ones holding the bracket to the diff), I don't see how to get a wrench on top of the bolt? 

3.  Was also wondering what the best way is to disconnect the drive shaft, looks really tight, any suggestions?  (Half shafts are already off)

3. Finally I see Bubba also had to use a helicoil in the diff cover for one of the spring bracket retainer bolts.  This makes me uncomfortable so I am going to replace the cover.  My question is are the bolts that retain the spring supposed to all be the same length?  I have two at 4.5" and 2 at 5"??  Spring is 9 leaf 2 1/4" wide, is this the right spring for a big block?

Sorry for the lengthy post!





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Re: Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/20/13 7:54pm Message 2 of 26
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To replace the seals, you must remove the yokes. If you are replacing the rear cover, you can get to the snap rings that hold the yokes in, and replace the seals.

If the heli-coil is installed properly, the threads in that are stronger than the cut threads in the diff anyway, so the use of a heli-coil in itself would not be a reason to replace the cover, for me.

Don't know exactly how long the bolts are for the spring mounting, but they should all be the same length, from what I can remember.

The front bolt on the diff bracket can be a little tough to get to, but you must remove the driveshaft first. That gives you more room to play with. Removing the bolts for the driveshaft can be done with a long extension and socket from the front.



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Re: Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/21/13 8:26am Message 3 of 26
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Thanks Joel, so if I remove the side yoke snap rings and remove the yokes to replace the seal, do I need to worry about re-shimming or anything or just put back what came out?  The helicoil repair in this particular situation required a larger diameter bolt than the other three, the coil also appears to be part way out of the hole, that's why I'm leery.  I'll send a picture if I can figure how to upload a compressed shot!

PS the shop manual does have much info on this particular topic, it tells you how to remove the carrier but not the diff case.



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Posted: 4/21/13 4:27pm Message 4 of 26
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No shims, or other surprises when you remove the snap-rings and yokes. Fairly straight-forward...remove the snap-ring, slide the yoke out, replace seal(s), insert yoke, replace snap-ring. Be sure to keep the yokes on whatever side you take them out from....don't mix them up. They are the same, but they will have a wear pattern on the end that rides against the center shaft of the diff, and it's best to keep them in the original location.
I have been digging back thru my pic files, looking for something that shows the snap-rings, but so far...nuttin...Cry



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Re: Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/22/13 7:58am Message 5 of 26
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OK got the crossmember and diff down, here are some pics:  The "somberos" don't look too good on the bottom but the other side not so bad! Guess I'll replace them "while I'm at it".  The yoke and pinion seals do not look to be leaking either (was probably too much grease in the universals) but I'll replace them as well to be safe.

 
 
 
Here are some pics of the helicoil in the cover plate.  As I said before it seems to be "hanging out" so I will replace the cover.
 
 
 
 
Here is the unit out of the car.  How much rust is too much?
Seals look good



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Posted: 4/22/13 8:02am Message 6 of 26
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Also...not sure if I should have started a new thread for this, "while I'm at it" I was considering having the trailing arms rebuilt.  Any recommendations?  So far I've been told Bairs and Van Steel have good reputatuions.  Any others?  I'll go with the forum sponsor if all else is equal!  When replacing to I just keep the same number of shims on either side, any other tips?


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Posted: 4/22/13 12:03pm Message 7 of 26
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Mario,
After you removed the half-shafts, did you check the end play of the side yokes?  The half-shafts are the upper control arms of the suspension.  Some guys say that the end play doesn't matter, but I think it does.  Mine were about .200 before Van Steel rebuilt the rear.  Now the end play is around .015.   

"While I was at it", I bought new offset trailing arms from Van Steel.  They came assembled complete with new spindles so now the rear wheels ought to be pretty good.

Another "While you're at it" would be to replace that heavy steel spring with a light weight fiberglass piece.  Or, go with a coil-over system from Van Steel.

Have you looked at "Smart Struts" yet?

John



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Re: Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/22/13 12:34pm Message 8 of 26
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JohnRR said: Mario,
After you removed the half-shafts, did you check the end play of the side yokes?  The half-shafts are the upper control arms of the suspension.  Some guys say that the end play doesn't matter, but I think it does.  Mine were about .200 before Van Steel rebuilt the rear.  Now the end play is around .015.   

"While I was at it", I bought new offset trailing arms from Van Steel.  They came assembled complete with new spindles so now the rear wheels ought to be pretty good.

Another "While you're at it" would be to replace that heavy steel spring with a light weight fiberglass piece.  Or, go with a coil-over system from Van Steel.

Have you looked at "Smart Struts" yet?

John

John,
 
I seem to be headed down that path with the trailing arms.  Actually found there is a guy near me that people have said good things about, Glenn at Hillside Corvette in Martinsville NJ - anyone have any experience with them? (am I allowed to name names??)
 
I didn't check the end play on the side yokes, how do you measure it?? Confused
 
I did order adjustable strut rods if thats what you mean by "smart".
 
What is the advantage of the lightweight fiberglass spring?  It looks like my 9 leaf steel spring was rebuild recently so I was hoping top save some money there.  I see there are so many sizes (300, 320, 340, 360 etc.)  How do you tell which you need?



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Posted: 4/22/13 6:29pm Message 9 of 26
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I replaced my side yokes myself and that was totally new territory for me. Didn't get into anything beyond side yokes, seals and cleaning up the inside as best I could. My '78 was 1 of the years that the side yokes wore down pretty quick which created a lot of end play. Picture shows the "C" clips and the mushroom effect of the ends wearing.That was at about 48,000 miles. You can see how much end play I had there on the left as the yoke end wore down. Replaced them, put it back together and its been great since, and no leaks. Didn't measure end play but it was a whole lot tighter after.
Also did a VB&P composite spring i picked up at Carlisle at the same time. I think it was the touring rating , can't remember the lbs. Never told the wife I bought a new spring and within 2 miles she asked me what I did to make the car ride better.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t132/JeffsVette/DSC03587-1.jpg

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Re: Side yoke seals, and other questions...big job?

Posted: 4/23/13 9:52am Message 10 of 26
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Great pic, Jeff! Thanks for posting that...I'll be stealing it for future reference.....Embarrassed

The yoke on the left is definitely mushroomed, the one on the right has just about worn all the way down to the snap-ring. Once they wear down that far, the snap-ring can pop off, and fall down in the gears, doing some major damage....as well as allowing the yoke to slide out on hard turns....Censored



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