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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/16/16 10:18am Message 11 of 20
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Dave, I had a '77 in the shop years ago that had a battery drain issue that eventually turned out to be the courtesy light switch on the passenger side. Had a hard time finding it because the car only had ONE interior light that worked to begin with. Turns out someone had replaced the switch with the wrong one(too short), and it was keeping the light circuit on all the time. Sometimes a door left partially open with a so-so switch will do the same thing.
I'd still start with having the battery tested, then the alternator, and then go from there. Wink


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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/18/16 10:50am Message 12 of 20
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For anyone that is interested, here is a pretty decent article on Testing for parasitic battery drains... Thumbs Up



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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/19/16 11:15am Message 13 of 20
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My parasitic drain turned out to be my center glove box light.  The lid wasn't pushing the plunger far enough.  I discovered that on a dark winter afternoon.  I could see light coming out around the edges of the lid.  Did a bubba fix on it and all is good.  Also have a disconnect of the battery itself.


   

Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/19/16 11:59am Message 14 of 20
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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/19/16 5:25pm Message 15 of 20
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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/19/16 9:13pm Message 16 of 20
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If the battery was drawn down to 2 volts then there was a drain of some sort.... however, if it charges up to 11.5 volts then there is a cell that has gone bad.  Each cell provides about 2.2 volts .  Costco batteries are usually the heaviest batteries that Interstate carries. Though I don't advocate using the heaviest battery available, at least in our cars(C3's) the battery is not located in the engine compartment, so heat is not a factor in the life of these batteries.  I have seen Costco bad batteries in the pile that were not very old.  As the boss usually says about some of our batteries "Two pounds of 'stuff' in a one pound bag".   Otherwords, the higher output batteries have more plates in them to obtain higher cranking amps, which is ok given that its not in the engine compartment, otherwise the heat from the engine would severely shorten the life of the battery. 

have the battery checked then go from there to find a drain.... :)




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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/22/16 9:13pm Message 17 of 20
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Thanks everyone, but after some checking today I don't think there's a drain.  Or if there is, it's intermittent.  

I got it tested last week at Autozone, tested bad, went to Costco and they exchanged it no problem.  Did some diagnosis today with the new batt.  Dropped it in and hooked up the positive side.  Got inside, made sure both doors were closed and did some current draw measurements with my multimeter between the negative post and ground.  

Doors closed but courtesy/clock/lighter fuse installed: 19 mA.
Courtesy/clock/lighter fuse removed: 8 mA.  
Just for fun, I ran the test with the fuse re-installed and just the one small light on in the center compartment: 220 mA.  

Then, I started the engine and tested voltage at the alternator: 14-15 volts.  (I had to use my analog meter - I think I might have blown the fuse in my digital meter during one of my earlier attempts to measure current.)  Voltage didn't change when fast idle came down to normal idle.  

These numbers tell me a few things.  1) my quartz conversion, working clock draws about 11 mA.  2) my "unaccounted for" draw is 8 mA.  3) One small light that I would expect would take several days or a week to draw down a good battery is 200 mA.  

I'm thinking 19 mA is not enough to drain a good battery except in maybe a very long time?  And I'm not too worried about the 8 mA of unaccounted draw - or should I be?  And looks like my alternator is doing fine?  Maybe I did just get yet another bad Costco battery?  






 

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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/23/16 6:21am Message 18 of 20
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stingrayjim jr said:

If the battery was drawn down to 2 volts then there was a drain of some sort.... however, if it charges up to 11.5 volts then there is a cell that has gone bad.  Each cell provides about 2.2 volts .  Costco batteries are usually the heaviest batteries that Interstate carries. Though I don't advocate using the heaviest battery available, at least in our cars(C3's) the battery is not located in the engine compartment, so heat is not a factor in the life of these batteries.  I have seen Costco bad batteries in the pile that were not very old.  As the boss usually says about some of our batteries "Two pounds of 'stuff' in a one pound bag".   Otherwords, the higher output batteries have more plates in them to obtain higher cranking amps, which is ok given that its not in the engine compartment, otherwise the heat from the engine would severely shorten the life of the battery. 

have the battery checked then go from there to find a drain.... :)



Thanks for the additional info, Jim.  That 2 volts may have been wrong, but I'm not sure.  My voltmeter may have been acting up.  It did definitely come up to full charge, though.  When I was exchanging it, Costco asked if it was a "bad cell" and I did just say yes.  So is there something about that battery that would not work well with our cars?  It's a group 78, CCA 800, CA at 32 degrees is 1000.  

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Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/27/16 11:19am Message 19 of 20
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i went through 3 battery is three years.  Each died almost to the day a year later.  Always a bad cell.  All through Advance Auto/ Western Auto.  Last battery I got has now lasted, knock on wood, 7 years.  All were high quality, so I thought High dollar batteries.  Found out there was a manufacturing flaw according to the sales guy that they were replacing a large number of batteries.  They tried charging me for the prorated deal but managed to persuade them not to




Re: another battery shot? or major electrical drain?

Posted: 5/28/16 8:00am Message 20 of 20
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My drain turned out to be the alternator.  Posssibly a blown diode allowing reverse current flow.


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