Topic: '81 Secondary electric fan
in Forum: C3 Electrical
My understanding of the circuit is 12 volts from the fuse panel straight to the fan motor and a ground from the temp sensor to the fan motor which remains open until the sensor closes at x degrees completing the engine to ground circuit. What am I missing/overlooking here? It's as if the sensor opens and closes on a hot lead and the fan is grounded to the mount. But if that be the case how/why does the sensor ground to the engine? Heck all I know is I'm confused.

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You're right in that the 12v power comes from the "Fan" fuse, and the temp switch in the cylinder head provides the ground when it gets to it's pre-set temp rating...assuming the switch is functional. Have you disconnected the temp switch and checked the resistance on the connector then? If you disconnect the temp switch, and STILL see continuity between the two wires in the connector, you probably have a short between the two somewhere. If you do NOT have continuity with the switch disconnected, the switch itself may be gummed/corroded internally, causing the resistance. Check the switch itself....you should have NO continuity between the terminal and the switch body/ground. If you do, the switch needs to be replaced.
btw...if you have continuity on the ground side, the fan should be running all the time, depending on how solid the short is. Sometimes, the temp sender wires get melted on the exhaust, and do silly stuff like this.....
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Measuring at the fan terminals there is continuity with no wires connected. From the fan terminals there are two wires which run to a 2 pin connector located above and front of the fender near the a/c compressor. Disconnected at the fan terminals, there is no continuity between those two wires. From that connector's mate, a black wire runs directly to the fuse panel. A light blue wire runs to a six pin connector near the fire wall where it mates to another wire running to the temp switch. With everything connected, because of the continuity between the terminals at the fan both the light blue and the black wire show 12 volts when grounded back to the chasis via the multi meter or a test light and the fan is not running. With all wires disconnected at the fan, I can run a 12v wire to one of it's terminals and a ground to the other and it will run. I'm probably not doing a good job describing this, but it's the best I can.
Thanks sarge. I agree 238 degrees seems much too late for that fan to kick in. Though I've heard many folks say these things run better a little on the warm side. I couldn't say as I very seldom see mine below 200 on the gauge.

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The fan switch should only have ONE terminal. Another temp sender with two terminals is for the gauge/ECM input.
With the system connected, you WILL show voltage(key on) on BOTH wires(at the fan motor) until the fan/temp switch closes, and gives you a ground.
With the key ON, take the connector loose from the fan temp switch, and run the wire from the connector to ground....the fan should run. If it does, the wiring is all good. Then, if the fan is not coming on when the engine gets hot enough for it to be needed, the temp switch is no good. As Sarge mentioned, you can get another switch with a lower closing calibration that will kick the fan on sooner.

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It looks like replacement switches have 2 wires. This is from Mid America.
If you are going to put a meter on the 2 wires coming from car to fan you would have to remove the fuse and disconnect the temp switch to isolate the circuit. to check to see if there is continuity between them or a short to ground. If their was a short to ground on the pink wire the fuse would blow if the lt blu was shorted to ground fan would run all the time, if the wires are shorted together and the temp switch closed it would burn out the contacts in the sw.
This is how I would check it.
Disc the connector to fan, disconnect connector at temp sw check for continuity between the 2 wires at the fan Con car side if shorted together (bad) look for wires melted together. Ground the lt blu wire at temp sw , now check for 12v pink wire at fan Con. If not this is the circuit that is bad and you can concentrate here. If OK check for ground on lt blue wire at fan connector. If no ground this is the circuit to follow.
Now what is not clear is the temp sw. if it is a 1 wire it would ground threw the sw to the block. (if it was wrapped with Teflon tape could effect that)The MA instructions say to hookup just the lt blue wire to existing lt blue, which would indicate it grounds through the sw to block. But the 81 wire diagram shows that the temp the sw makes and grounds through the sw black wire to ground
Thanks again for all the help. I appreciate your knowledge.

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Glad ya got it fixed!
'Lectrical stuff can be confusing as heck at times. But....just remember that a MOTOR will show voltage on both sides of the connection until it gets switched to ground. Light sockets are the same way....until the circuit goes to ground, there is voltage on both sides. That's where switches, and relays come into play.

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