Topic: Ammeter is showing negative all the time.
in Forum: C3 Electrical
Yes, I'm troubleshooting two problems at the same time, horn and ammeter. Don't think they're related.
Maybe they are...
The ammeter is connected to the horn relay and the starter lug (main harness). (Black, and black/white wire if I remember.) It measures a voltage between the two leads and infers a current from the voltage differential. If you've got higher voltage at the alternator and battery when the car is running, it's charging. So there's something in common.
Remove and clean the terminations to the horn relay, and check that the lugs are securely on the wire ends.
Adam, what do you think?

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An amp meter runs In Line with the charge...meaning the meter is wired in series with the wiring from the alternator to the battery.
A voltmeter, on the other hand, simply measures voltage, so it is wired with a positive wire on one terminal, and a ground on the other terminal.
A bad Amp meter can certainly drop system voltage after the alternator...if the current going thru it is actually being used up by the gauge, it will lower the available voltage at the battery. An amp meter can also not allow voltage thru it if it goes open, in which case the meter(gauge) would not move at all.
I would certainly clean all of the connections, both at the horn relay, and the alternator. If no improvements are seen, then I would have to suspect a problem with the gauge itself....possibly the resistor/shunt bar on the back of the gauge.
In any case, it appears the charging system IS working, it's just not able to get the full output voltage back to the battery.
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There is excessive electrical tape on the wires at the terminals both at the relay and the alternator. Hate to open all that up but, I'll do what I have to.
It seems to me it is indicating you are running on the battery which means your generator is not putting out (by it some wine)
I had a similar problem with my 81. Got new Alternator

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True. Except on our cars, the ammeter is not a true ammeter. It's a DC shunt ammeter. It carries only a tiny fraction of the total current going through the car's circuit, and approximates current based on differential voltage from two points. The resistor between the two points causes a voltage drop which deflects the meter one way or another...

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Ammeter. Refer to the below figure.
Troubleshooting the ammeter
circuit can be difficult. The following
applies to cars equiped with alternators.
In the Chassis Service Manual there will be a simplified diagram of the
charging system similar in part to that show above.
Possibly the biggest mistake
that people make associated with the ammeter circuit is not turning the
ignition switch to either ACC or ON when trying to decide if the ammeter is
showing proper discharge. You can
perform the following test and see if it makes a diference. Start the engine and let it run for a few
minutes until the ammeter reads close to zero.
Shut off the engine and with the ignition switch OFF, turn on the high
beam lights. Make a note of the ammeter
reading. Turn off the headlights. Turn
the ignition switch to ACC and again turn on the high beams. The amount of discharge shown by the ammeter
should be about twice, or more, what it was before.
By referring to the above
diagram, it can be seen that the ammeter reads the difference in voltage
between the battery and the alternator.
The wire that goes directly from the battery to the alternator and
appears to short out the ammeter is a meter shunt. What the ammeter actually reads is the
voltage drop across this wire. The
resistance of this wire is about 0.1 ohm.
There is no physical resistor in the circuit, the resistance is due to
the length of the wire required to get from the starter solenoid to the horn
relay around the engine bay.
The horn relay is not in the
ammeter circuit but is a convenient connection point for the alternator output
and the voltage regulator.
When the output voltage of
the alternator is greater than battery voltage, the ammeter shows a charge proportional
to the difference in voltage. When the
battery comes up to full charge, the ammeter drops to near zero. If the output of the alternator is less than
the battery voltage, as under a heavy load, the ammeter will show a discharge
proportional to the difference in voltage.
The voltage regulator is set to have a voltage slightly higher than the fully charged voltage of the battery so that the alternator will carry most of the vehicle loads and maintain a slight trickle charge on the battery at all times the engine is running. Under normal conditions, the ammeter will show a slight charge when the engine has been running for a few minutes and the system is working correctly.

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Just kiddin....this has turned into a very detailed discussion, and very informative, I'm sure. Remember, we're working on an early car here.
My point being that there is a loss of charge making it back to the battery somewhere...only a few things can cause that. Bad connections/wiring, or a problem with the gauge itself. The horn relay has nothing to do with the charging system, other than being a common junction box to connect the wiring to. Of course, if the terminals on the relay are corroded, it could create a problem.
The alternator in this case IS working, and the battery is being charged, although perhaps not completely, it seems. The issue is the gauge showing a discharge all the time....even tho there IS a charge getting to the battery.
Joel Adams
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