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Brake problem

Posted: 7/27/07 8:08am Message 21 of 29
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Albuquerque, NM - USA
Joined: 3/11/2006
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Vette(s): 1971 454 BB , matching numbers, 4spd,a/c,pb,ps, Blue
Save yourself a lot of greef and buy rebuilt or new if you can afford it. Don't try to rebuild it your self as they may look simple but have many pitfals for the uniformed. So much for my 2 cents. PS: I was trained as an aircraft mechanic 46 years ago.


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Brake problem

Posted: 7/30/07 8:16am Message 22 of 29
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Badin Lake, NC - USA
Joined: 4/21/2004
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Vette(s): 1979 Red L-48 Corvette with Doeskin interior, 3-speed automatic, 3.55 rear; 1986 L-98 Coupe, 4+3 Manual - Satin Black and Purple (SCCA TT/Hillclimb Car); 1993 White LT-1 Coupe, Black Interior, 6-speed
I agree with above. Rebuilt one myself and it was a real pain. I am sure it wasn't worth it as I had to replace it about 6 months later with a new caliper. Key is to get them with the SS sleeves.
 
As far as you comment on brake fluid color - they may be the same color, but what you are seeing is corrosion products (rust or degraded rubber). when I first got my car and cleaned out the lines only one looked like brake fluid - the others were all shades of dark stuff. Due to the "stuff" floating in the fluid, they will give the appearance of separate fluids when put into same container.  I do not use DOT 5, as it cannot be mixed with other fluids.  I have a number of different cars that I use in track trials and autocross competition and Valvoline SynPower DOT 4 fluid works great, is cheap and you can afford to pump a lot of it through the system to flush it out.  It is also a good alternative to DOT 5 due to its temperature ratings.
 
Hate to say it, but if you are seeing a lot of dark fluid, it probably means internal corrosion of the caliper bores and that requires replacement - or a quality rebuild (hard to do at home).



C3: 1979 Corvette Coupe, Auto, L-48, Red/Doeskin (my wife's fave);
C4s: 1986 C4 coupe (SCCA road race car), satin black, 4+3, Z51 package, L-98;  & 1993 C4 coupe, white, 6-speed, LT-1.

Brake problem

Posted: 7/30/07 12:09pm Message 23 of 29
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Falls Church, VA - USA
Joined: 3/22/2006
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Vette(s): 1975, 4 speed, L48, NOW Silver mist, Oxblood inside 2003 50th Av Torch RED little brother to 75
Man this brings back memories Wacko I totally agree don't rebuild yourself,  Order them and send cores back works great. I replaced all four on mine a few years ago and brakes have worked great ever since. As far a bleeding brakes I used
 
Corvette Brake Caliper Speed Bleeders, 
  • Allows One Man Brake Bleeding
  • Unique One-Way Check Valve Lets Fluid & Air Out
  • Replaces Original Bleeder Screws Permanently
  • They work great for a one man bleeding you can bleed the whole system by yourself. Just remember if my memory serves me right it takes four bleeders on each rear caliper and two on each front caliper. Anyway  it would be a good way to flush the whole system just watch you fluid level in the master cylinder, hope this helps.

    Guy


    Brake problem

    Posted: 7/30/07 10:09pm Message 24 of 29
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    Vette(s): Coupe 74 - 454 Drive it like you stole it!
    I agree with the speed bleeders and DOT 4.
     
    Concerning the fluids color, I think the previous owner simply used a different kind because when looking into the master cylinder, I could see the difference.  It became clear when both oil were in the same bucket.
     
    From a simple math perspective (including labor and possible problems), I agree that swaping with rebuilt is the way to go.  But; one of the reason I bought the Vette is to learn stuff.  They say "pick your battles".  I tend to take them all and "afford" defeat if I'm over my head.
     
    That being said; as you guys mentioned, I'm taking the same route you took sometimes ago.  I'm in too deep now to do a change of course.
     
    I'm not even half-way done and I got too many pictures to upload here, but you can take a look here and see my progress.
     
    I only cleaned one tonight; ran out of brake cleaner (which is a good thing, because poor ventilation made me a little dizzy).
     
    I forgot... I already have the SS sleeves on 'em!Big%20smile
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    Brake problem

    Posted: 7/31/07 11:12am Message 25 of 29
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    Vette(s): 1975, 4 speed, L48, NOW Silver mist, Oxblood inside 2003 50th Av Torch RED little brother to 75
    74-454 My hats off to you Clap diving in and wanting to get your hands durty and learn from experiance. I have been working on my 75 now for almost 17 years now and I'm almost done. Lots of knuckle busting greasy grimy stuff Thumbs%20Up but nothing or no one can take away the good feeling of doing it your self. Keep it up buddy. Remember No one can take the feelings away.
     
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    Posted: 7/31/07 7:41pm Message 26 of 29
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    Vette(s): Coupe 74 - 454 Drive it like you stole it!
    Thanks! 
     
    17 years?  My goal was 10 (after 3, I'm really not on track), so 17 sounds just about right.  I'm keeping paint for the end.
     
    My goal this year is to get it back on the road (safely) one time before the summer is over and if the budget goes my way; suspension over the winter.
     
    Back to the calipers; I got some more cleaner tonight and ordering parts right now.  I'll keep you posted when I'm back to the assembly; if I could only get those rotors out....Cry



    Brake problem

    Posted: 8/8/07 12:23pm Message 27 of 29
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    Vette(s): 1979 Red L-48 Corvette with Doeskin interior, 3-speed automatic, 3.55 rear; 1986 L-98 Coupe, 4+3 Manual - Satin Black and Purple (SCCA TT/Hillclimb Car); 1993 White LT-1 Coupe, Black Interior, 6-speed

    OK - since we are all having fun sharing brake rebuilding stories, here is how my weekend went:

    1. Got new Stop 1 kit from MidAmerica - good stuff. SS calipers, lines, pads, pins, etc.  Really everything you need other than a master cylinder (I had already replaced that last year when brakes felt funny).
    2. Installed and used the DOT 4 Valvoline SynPower fluid (synthetic).  Rotors looked great (I usually change pads at 1/2 thickness) so stayed with them.
    3. After a lot of bleeding, I put it all back together (now I wish I had bought the speedbleeders - would have been much easier).
    4. Took it for a ride - I live way out in the country, so no traffic.  Did a few stops to bed in the pads and then took it up for a higher speed stop.  When I jumped on the brakes there wasn't much there!  Pedal was firm but no stopping power. 
    5. Now - I was upset that I spent a lot of money and time and it wasn't what I expected, so I tried one more quick stop......Dang thing locked up all 4 and it came to a SMOKING Nascar type stop...Fun! 
    6. Turns out after a little experimentation that it stopped great if you were not accelerating immediately before jumping on the brakes.....Ta-DA!  9 bucks later at the local NAPA, I had a new power booster vacuum check valve and that solved that problem!  Turns out the other one was simply old and brittle and worked intermittently.
     
    Anyways - on cars that are of this age, it would be worth changing that cheap little part out since it can make a huge difference in stopping power.  Don't bother going to Advance or Auto Zone - neither carries it (I guess the don't think they fail), but NAPA had it on the shelf.
     
    BTW - C3VR and the folks who share their experiences really make this forum a valuable part of my Corvette Toolbox!
     



    C3: 1979 Corvette Coupe, Auto, L-48, Red/Doeskin (my wife's fave);
    C4s: 1986 C4 coupe (SCCA road race car), satin black, 4+3, Z51 package, L-98;  & 1993 C4 coupe, white, 6-speed, LT-1.

    Brake problem

    Posted: 8/8/07 5:50pm Message 28 of 29
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    Vette(s): Coupe 74 - 454 Drive it like you stole it!
    Thanks for sharing your experience Shane.  Something I will remember!
     
    I keep on searching the forums here for stuff like you wrote.  Thanks again!
     
    I can't wait to be at step #4 "Took it for a ride..."
     
     



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    Posted: 8/8/07 7:37pm Message 29 of 29
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    Vette(s): 1975, 4 speed, L48, NOW Silver mist, Oxblood inside 2003 50th Av Torch RED little brother to 75
    YOU DA MAN sfindlan Clap rollin rollin rollin keep em CORVETTES rollin.
     
    sgm2004



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