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14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

Posted: 1/23/14 1:41pm Message 1 of 20
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I'm trying to find a 14" offset  dropbase air cleaner base for my '75. I need about a 1.25" to 1.5" drop as I'm using a Performer RPM intake under my stock hood. I need the offset to clear the HEI. I currently have a standard 1.25" dropbase that clears the hood OK; it rubs against the HEI though. I found this one: http://www.allstarperformance.com/product.htm?prod=1385 which says it fits Edelbrock carbs but not ones with a choke. Other ones I have found don't have much of a drop and I'm afraid won't clear the hood. I can always go with a 10" round (which I don't really wan)t or one of those triangular ones (again, which I don't really want). Just wondering if anyone had solved this problem. You'd think someone would make one.


 
Build Date: May 7, 1975. 383 w/267 RWHP/310 RWTQ
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Re: 14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

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Greg, here's what I did.  I copied this from a PM I sent to another member that inquired about my air cleaner:

I cut the base out of my original stock housing to match the OD of a 12" diameter filter element.  The top is stock but from a '73-'75 (ordered from Corvette Central) The element is stock diameter for my '76 (and from '73-'75) but my manifold was too tall for the OEM height so I had to order a shorter one, I think it's 2 1/2 inches.  K&N has a tool on their website to help you get to the right part number based on your desired dimensions.

I know many folks will not like this solution because it involves cutting up an original part (that is expensive to replace - look on ebay) but it achieved the desired form and function for me.  I used the stock top from a 73-75, but another option would be to use a K&N filter top for more air flow.  




 

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Greg I had the same problem. I was able to use an extension ring on top of the carb. I still had to rig it so it would fit. I have to make sure that the cover is screwed in tightly or the bow tie screw I have rubs the hood.


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Re: 14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

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Thanks Dave and Dave (lol). Some food for thought there. I may buy the base I mentioned and try to modify it if needed. It isn't very expensive if it is a complete failure. Nothing ventured, nothing gained they say.


 
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Re: 14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

Posted: 1/24/14 6:39am Message 5 of 20
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Spend enough time on the internet and you usually find what you're looking for. I found this picture of the Allstar offset base installed on a '69 Vette with an Edelbrock carb with an electric choke. Looks like the choke flapper is missing but in the next picture I can clearly see the black choke housing. I'm going to order it.

http://www.hardskull.com/images/offset.jpg

http://www.hardskull.com/images/base.jpg




 
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Posted: 1/24/14 11:11am Message 6 of 20
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That carb not only has the choke plate removed, it also is missing the secondary air valve, which is similar to a choke plate, but is weighted to stay closed until the velocity of air rushing over it opens it up. That's one of the main differences between the  Carter AFB(Aluminuminum Four Barrel) carb and the Carter AVS(Air Valve Secondary).

That's a neat off-set cleaner base! Just be careful that you don't wind up with the air cleaner top sitting right on the top of the choke housing of the carb. You need a bit of space between the top and the carb for air to be able to get into the carb. Another thing, wih the air cleaner moved forward, the front edge of it is going to be even closer to the bottom side of the hood. With the '75, that means you should have the cowl induction hood, so be sure to check and see if it will all sit where it needs to be, and still be able to close the hood.


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Re: 14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

Posted: 1/24/14 12:31pm Message 7 of 20
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Will do Joel. This base has .25" more drop than my current one so I think hood clearance will be OK. If it doesn't work I'm out $25 + shipping. Might be able to modify it if needed as it's aluminum.


 
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daveo76 said: Greg, here's what I did.  I copied this from a PM I sent to another member that inquired about my air cleaner:

I cut the base out of my original stock housing to match the OD of a 12" diameter filter element.  The top is stock but from a '73-'75 (ordered from Corvette Central) The element is stock diameter for my '76 (and from '73-'75) but my manifold was too tall for the OEM height so I had to order a shorter one, I think it's 2 1/2 inches.  K&N has a tool on their website to help you get to the right part number based on your desired dimensions.

I know many folks will not like this solution because it involves cutting up an original part (that is expensive to replace - look on ebay) but it achieved the desired form and function for me.  I used the stock top from a 73-75, but another option would be to use a K&N filter top for more air flow.  


Confused I read that 3 times and still can't figure out what you did.  Glad it worked...what ever you did.  Beer





   

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Gary, if you look at Dave's pic in his sig, you'll see the filter he described. Basically, it is the original base, and top, but the base has been cut down on the outer circumference to to diameter of the filter itself. The original base is/was huge, since the early '76 cars still had the cowl induction hood/air cleaner assembly. All he did was trim the base down to a smaller diameter, and use a shorter filter element.

Here's what it would have looked like originally...





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Re: 14' offset dropbase air cleaner base needed.

Posted: 1/24/14 8:45pm Message 10 of 20
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Gary: I cut out the bottom of my original big old GM closed element housing and used it as the drop base for a 12" air filter element.  What I ended up with was just a 12" diameter plate that sits on the carb air horn and drops the element down an inch or two.  On top of the element I used a stock-style air cleaner lid from a '73-'75.  ('76 and later used a closed element system - my original lid was too big).

One of the reasons this issue comes up so often is the vast majority of aftermarket air cleaner systems use 14" diameter elements.  There are some 10" aftermarket products out there, but very few 12" systems -- most of our cars came with 12" element systems.  As Joel points out, it is not only the overall height of the air cleaner you have to be concerned with, but where the front of the air cleaner will be in relation to the slope of the hood.  My first plan almost worked, but there was hood interference only where the hood contacted the front of the air cleaner.  (I used my daughter's play doh to check)   I solved the problem by going back to the smaller 12" open element and using the lid from the older cars.  And that also solved an aesthetic dilemma I was having since I really  just wanted a simple black top.   (I don't go for a lot of chrome in my engine bay) 

Hope that explains it further....




 

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