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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/14/07 11:29am Message 11 of 19
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Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.

I'm pretty sure stock vettes (at least from this era) did not have exhaust manifold gaskets.   If you have a C3 Corvette Central catalog look on the exhaust manifold page.   There's a note in bold on that page: "Remember, your Corvette engine did not originally have gaskets between the heads and exhaust manifolds"  I've gotten this info from other sources as well, and if you'd had seen my car when I bought it, you'd probably be pretty sure that the engine had been completely untouched by the two other previous owners. 

I am not opposed to ADDING gaskets, though, if it would help me solve my problem.   I am a little concerned about the idea of a cracked head, though - because I can't understand even if the manifold is leaking how that would cause a misfire alone.  (Wires look to be in pretty good shape)  If that's the case I think I'm going to look at dumping the L-48 and save up my $$ for something a little more exciting. 
 
Thanks for the advice, I'll post again if I make any progress on this. 




 

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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/14/07 12:05pm Message 12 of 19
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Vette(s): #1-1974 L-48 4spd Cp Med Red Metallic/Black deluxe int w/AC/tilt/tele./p/w-p/b/ Am-Fm/map light National/Regional/Chapter NCRS "Top Flight" #2-1985 Bright Red/Carmine Cp.L-98/auto Member: NCRS, NCRS Texas, Corvette Legends of Texas
I've never seen a VIRGIN Chevy small/big block with exhaust gaskets...at least not the earlier cars, such as Sharks. My '85, with the stainless steel exhaust manifolds, does, however, have gaskets, so...some of the late Shark cars may have come that way.

I would recommend using a good, quality made header gasket for any exhaust...they just seal much better, especially if you let them soak in water for a few minutes before installing them.

A leak at the manifold could absolutely create a lean mixture scenario, depending on the cam timing/specs, and which cylinder it was leaking from...


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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/14/07 6:17pm Message 13 of 19
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wouldn't believe it but now that joel has said it was true, i will. can't understand why they wouldn't put a gasket in. i can see when the engine was built but once fired the heat would affect the mating surfaces and the trueness of the block and the manifold would definately change. doesn't make sense to me.Confused


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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/14/07 6:33pm Message 14 of 19
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When the heads and ex. manifolds are new, they are machined true(flat). Once the exhaust is bolted up, and properly torqued, they will stay flat, unless the engine gets overheated for some reason. Once used parts are removed, that's when they are likely to flex, and no longer be flat...thus the gaskets in the O/H kits.
You'd be surprised at how many components in the engine and trans have no gaskets...there are many transmissions that have no gaskets between the pump assembly and the case, and they do not leak. As long as the surfaces are true, clean, and the components properly torqued, they're just not needed.


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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/14/07 9:51pm Message 15 of 19
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Thanks for answers, Joel, and everyone else.  Looks like the next thing for me to try is to install manifold gaskets, at least on the RH side.  (The left one has never been off, I'm almost positive).   So could the lean condition be caused from a leak at #8 or #6, with STOCK cam, valve timing, etc.?  I could see it if there was a big cam in there with a lot of overlap, but with stock L-48?  I'm going to try it nonetheless. 



 

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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/15/07 6:40pm Message 16 of 19
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Joel is correct.  OEM did not use exhaust manifold gaskets, but they should always be used when reinstalling them.
 
With the engine off, open the throttle plate just about 1/8 to 1/4 of the way, and lift up and down on the throttle shaft.  If there is much play there will be a vacuum leak at the throttle shaft, and it will act just like a loose vacuum hose.  
 
The repair involves another carb base plate, or having new bushings installed in the original plate.    
 
I have done a lot of these in the past.



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Posted: 10/15/07 8:53pm Message 17 of 19
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I rebuilt the carb in an effort to solve this problem.  I didn't notice a lot of play in the throttle shaft (felt pretty tight to me), but not going to rule it out, either.  Still also could be a warped base plate on the carb as Joel points out.   
 
Guy at work was thinking I could have a burned exhaust valve - that could possibly allow outside air to be sucked in during the intake stroke.  Going to be doing a compression test this weekend and hopefully add the gasket in at the RH exhaust manifold as well. 




 

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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/16/07 10:24pm Message 18 of 19
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Vette(s): 1976 Silver/Firethorn. L48, 4spd. Original 2 bolt, vortec heads, 9.4:1 CR, Speed Pro Cam: 224/224@0.050, 112 LSA, Eagle Steel Crank.
So I started testing the compression tonight.  I tested 2, 4, 6, and 8.  They all tested around 175 - 190 psi.  That's cold, all plugs out, WOT, and 5 compression strokes.  (This is my first compression test - does that sound right?)  It took 5 strokes  to get it up to that number on some of the cylinders, but then it topped out.   Am I OK here?  I think it's good that they're all consistent, at least.  I was worried I'd find a cylinder with almost nothing.  I'll check the odd cylinders soon, but I'm not expecting to find anything different over there. 
 
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'76 L-48 Lean Misfire?

Posted: 10/17/07 5:22am Message 19 of 19
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The method, and results look fine...
I always write down each cylinders reading, so I can compare them. You will hardly ever have all 8 with the same pressures, but they do need to be within a certain percentage, 10-15% of each other, or from highest to lowest.


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